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destroyed their reputation and trust with the public I'm not sure this is true. VW has the highest EU market share of any car brand, and VW group accounts for

destroyed their reputation and trust with the public I'm not sure this is true. VW has the highest EU market share of any car brand, and VW group accounts for about a quarter of new cars sold in the EU.

oblio 3y ago
To put this in a better perspective: VW is the second biggest car manufacturer in the world, selling 7x as many cars as American darling Tesla.
- iancmceachern 3y ago
  That's for all of VW group no? What about VW badges specifically, what are the numbers there? It's relevant because of brand recognition. If the brand differences didn't matter, they wouldn't have kept them, it would all be under one brand. It seeks pertinent, given the confusion, to clarify that the first comment above was about the Vw brand, second about the group. It's confusing to conflate the two. In service of more clear and concise communication it may he helpful to focus on one or the other to make a point.
  - lillecarl 3y ago
    Is that relevant though? They're still under the same umbrella, sharing parts, R&D, manufacturing plants and internal politics to some extent.
  - rahimnathwani 3y ago
    The first part of my comment is about VW-badged vehicles. The second is about VW Group.
iancmceachern 3y ago
Not what I read: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/11/27/business/volkswagen-brand-no-longer-competitive/index.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/11/27/busi...
- rahimnathwani 3y ago
  That article doesn't contradict anything I said. It doesn't even mention market share.
  - iancmceachern 3y ago
    In the US, VW group has a 4.1% market share down from 4.3% last year: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/11/27/business/volkswagen-brand-no-longer-competitive/index.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/11/27/busi... In Europe VW has a 9.8% market share down almost 2% from the previous year: https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/volkswagen-europe-sales-figures/#:~:text=Volkswagen%20sold%201%2C010%2C272%20vehicles%20in,share%20in%20Europe%20is%209.8%25 https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/volkswagen-europe-sales-figure.... This is relevant because it shows that VW is loosing significant market share in US and Europe. It's loosing about 20% market share per year (2% off 10%). This is after dieselgate. One could infer that dieselgate caused consumers to no longer trust VW, along with other systemic problems within the company and its products, could be a cause of this downturn in market share.
    - mmikeff 3y ago
      VW group includes Audi, Skoda, Seat, Porsche, Bentley, Seat and others
    - rahimnathwani 3y ago
      Both 2022 and 2023 were after the dieselgate rulings, so how are those changes relevant? EDIT: I wrote this comment before parent's ninja edit.
    - gunapologist99 3y ago
      It doesn't have much to do (in the U.S.) with diesel anything. Most people probably don't even know anything about it. VW cars are just more boring now.
      - iancmceachern 3y ago
dfgfek 3y ago
Ecologists use their media presence to spread the idea that emission scandals destroy your brand. The (unfortunate, for them) truth is that people don't care.
- iancmceachern 3y ago
  I care deeply. I drive a Diesel Super Duty, and almost bought a Ram Cummins when i bought it. I have a good friend who has worked for Cummins for 20 years, and many other friends with various diesel trucks. I won't buy one of their products now because of this. I deeply care, I'm right in the middle of their target demographic, and I have 40 years left of spending to do in my life. Speak for yourself, I'll speak for me and my friends.
  - InCityDreams 3y ago
    >and I have 40 years left of spending to do in my life. Given the amount of unnecessary shite in the air, I'll guess you're about 11 years old and not expecting things to improve much.
    - iancmceachern 3y ago
      Average if expectancy is 80, 80 minus forty is forty. Air quality has actually been getting steadily better in the areas the world that I live in because of the other companies following the new emissions laws properly. Im confident my diesel truck and RV will allow my family to seek "greener pastures" if needed. The key is to stay happy with a modest lifestyle. The people that will be screwed are the people with 5000 Sq ft mansons that need $1500 a month in energy just to keep them from being uninhabitable. The neighborhoods in Arizona that won't have water. If we all do more with less, be kind, and don't complain - we will be fine. Editing because I can't reply to the awesome comment below. Love it, so true. Statistics changes as you move through space and time. Thank you for this lovely perspective!
      - cjbgkagh 3y ago
        Average life expectancy for someone who is 40 is more than the average life expectancy at birth given all the not dying that you’ve done since then.

oblio 3y ago

To put this in a better perspective: VW is the second biggest car manufacturer in the world, selling 7x as many cars as American darling Tesla.

iancmceachern 3y ago
That's for all of VW group no? What about VW badges specifically, what are the numbers there? It's relevant because of brand recognition. If the brand differences didn't matter, they wouldn't have kept them, it would all be under one brand. It seeks pertinent, given the confusion, to clarify that the first comment above was about the Vw brand, second about the group. It's confusing to conflate the two. In service of more clear and concise communication it may he helpful to focus on one or the other to make a point.
- lillecarl 3y ago
  Is that relevant though? They're still under the same umbrella, sharing parts, R&D, manufacturing plants and internal politics to some extent.
- rahimnathwani 3y ago
  The first part of my comment is about VW-badged vehicles. The second is about VW Group.

iancmceachern 3y ago

Not what I read: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/11/27/business/volkswagen-brand-no-longer-competitive/index.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/11/27/busi...

rahimnathwani 3y ago
That article doesn't contradict anything I said. It doesn't even mention market share.
- iancmceachern 3y ago
  In the US, VW group has a 4.1% market share down from 4.3% last year: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/11/27/business/volkswagen-brand-no-longer-competitive/index.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/11/27/busi... In Europe VW has a 9.8% market share down almost 2% from the previous year: https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/volkswagen-europe-sales-figures/#:~:text=Volkswagen%20sold%201%2C010%2C272%20vehicles%20in,share%20in%20Europe%20is%209.8%25 https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/volkswagen-europe-sales-figure.... This is relevant because it shows that VW is loosing significant market share in US and Europe. It's loosing about 20% market share per year (2% off 10%). This is after dieselgate. One could infer that dieselgate caused consumers to no longer trust VW, along with other systemic problems within the company and its products, could be a cause of this downturn in market share.
  - mmikeff 3y ago
    VW group includes Audi, Skoda, Seat, Porsche, Bentley, Seat and others
  - rahimnathwani 3y ago
    Both 2022 and 2023 were after the dieselgate rulings, so how are those changes relevant? EDIT: I wrote this comment before parent's ninja edit.
  - gunapologist99 3y ago
    It doesn't have much to do (in the U.S.) with diesel anything. Most people probably don't even know anything about it. VW cars are just more boring now.
    - iancmceachern 3y ago

dfgfek 3y ago

Ecologists use their media presence to spread the idea that emission scandals destroy your brand. The (unfortunate, for them) truth is that people don't care.

iancmceachern 3y ago
I care deeply. I drive a Diesel Super Duty, and almost bought a Ram Cummins when i bought it. I have a good friend who has worked for Cummins for 20 years, and many other friends with various diesel trucks. I won't buy one of their products now because of this. I deeply care, I'm right in the middle of their target demographic, and I have 40 years left of spending to do in my life. Speak for yourself, I'll speak for me and my friends.
- InCityDreams 3y ago
  >and I have 40 years left of spending to do in my life. Given the amount of unnecessary shite in the air, I'll guess you're about 11 years old and not expecting things to improve much.
  - iancmceachern 3y ago
    Average if expectancy is 80, 80 minus forty is forty. Air quality has actually been getting steadily better in the areas the world that I live in because of the other companies following the new emissions laws properly. Im confident my diesel truck and RV will allow my family to seek "greener pastures" if needed. The key is to stay happy with a modest lifestyle. The people that will be screwed are the people with 5000 Sq ft mansons that need $1500 a month in energy just to keep them from being uninhabitable. The neighborhoods in Arizona that won't have water. If we all do more with less, be kind, and don't complain - we will be fine. Editing because I can't reply to the awesome comment below. Love it, so true. Statistics changes as you move through space and time. Thank you for this lovely perspective!
    - cjbgkagh 3y ago
      Average life expectancy for someone who is 40 is more than the average life expectancy at birth given all the not dying that you’ve done since then.