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It depends on the context. I very much agree, that I cannot take anyone seriously talking about human right abuse and not ever condemning Hamas. But I don't thi

It depends on the context. I very much agree, that I cannot take anyone seriously talking about human right abuse and not ever condemning Hamas. But I don't think that one has to say it everytime, when critizing deaths of children. And we don't know the concrete examples in question.

riku_iki 3y ago
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- hutzlibu 3y ago
  How do you know that? I know that many people fall into this pattern, but like I said, we lack the concrete examples in this case.
  - riku_iki 3y ago
    We had plenty of Palestinian protests in my area before and after recent Hamas attack. I never seen them condemning Hamas, only Israel.
    - catlover76 3y ago
      What moral significance does that have? Most of the same people who do nothing but bring out the "but they didn't condemn Hamas" trope have never cared about what the IDF has done to Palestinian civilians. Does that mean the rest of us should not care about Hamas crime or ignore its victims? Of course not, right? You can't seriously believe that responding to criticism of the undeniable indiscriminate slaughter of civilians with "but a lot of the people protesting our actions have never indicated they condemned the attack against us" appears to the rest of us as a reasonable or credible moral claim.
    - meticulous_gal 3y ago
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  - rasz 3y ago
    NY 2 days ago https://nitter.net/ScooterCasterNY/status/1737961948447166837 https://nitter.net/ScooterCasterNY/status/173796194844716683...
riku_iki 3y ago
> one has to say it everytime, when critizing deaths of children. One should propose plan to solve problem without those deaths, or his words just become propaganda.
- hutzlibu 3y ago
  Erm, no? A mother whose childs have just been killed and who never supported Hamas in any way absolutely has the right to critize the bombings that killed her family, without having to present a working geopolitical plan.
  - riku_iki 3y ago
    Yes, but her critics is happily used by Hamas on propaganda channels becomes propaganda, and doesn't make anything better and doesn't solve anything.
    - hutzlibu 3y ago
      So the mother should just shut up and accept that her children are not to be spoken about? How about on the other hand, the IDF does care again, where their bombs explode? "Israel's defense minister said he has "released all restraints" on the Israel Defense Forces' troops in their fight " https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-10-10-23/h_72b24198b48f49dae4a02f53b6f9da81 https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-wa...
      - riku_iki 3y ago
        > So the mother should just shut up and accept that her children are not to be spoken about? for sake of mutual peace and future every human should think hard before talking on sensitive topics. But humans can't, so we butcher each other instead for thousands of years.
        hutzlibu 3y ago
        You are seriously demanding of a mother who lost her children to shut up? Would you demand the same of an israeli Mother?

riku_iki 3y ago

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hutzlibu 3y ago
How do you know that? I know that many people fall into this pattern, but like I said, we lack the concrete examples in this case.
- riku_iki 3y ago
  We had plenty of Palestinian protests in my area before and after recent Hamas attack. I never seen them condemning Hamas, only Israel.
  - catlover76 3y ago
    What moral significance does that have? Most of the same people who do nothing but bring out the "but they didn't condemn Hamas" trope have never cared about what the IDF has done to Palestinian civilians. Does that mean the rest of us should not care about Hamas crime or ignore its victims? Of course not, right? You can't seriously believe that responding to criticism of the undeniable indiscriminate slaughter of civilians with "but a lot of the people protesting our actions have never indicated they condemned the attack against us" appears to the rest of us as a reasonable or credible moral claim.
  - meticulous_gal 3y ago
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- rasz 3y ago
  NY 2 days ago https://nitter.net/ScooterCasterNY/status/1737961948447166837 https://nitter.net/ScooterCasterNY/status/173796194844716683...

riku_iki 3y ago

> one has to say it everytime, when critizing deaths of children. One should propose plan to solve problem without those deaths, or his words just become propaganda.

hutzlibu 3y ago
Erm, no? A mother whose childs have just been killed and who never supported Hamas in any way absolutely has the right to critize the bombings that killed her family, without having to present a working geopolitical plan.
- riku_iki 3y ago
  Yes, but her critics is happily used by Hamas on propaganda channels becomes propaganda, and doesn't make anything better and doesn't solve anything.
  - hutzlibu 3y ago
    So the mother should just shut up and accept that her children are not to be spoken about? How about on the other hand, the IDF does care again, where their bombs explode? "Israel's defense minister said he has "released all restraints" on the Israel Defense Forces' troops in their fight " https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-10-10-23/h_72b24198b48f49dae4a02f53b6f9da81 https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-wa...
    - riku_iki 3y ago
      > So the mother should just shut up and accept that her children are not to be spoken about? for sake of mutual peace and future every human should think hard before talking on sensitive topics. But humans can't, so we butcher each other instead for thousands of years.
      - hutzlibu 3y ago
        You are seriously demanding of a mother who lost her children to shut up? Would you demand the same of an israeli Mother?