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Heres the vidéo where Netanyahou brags that his strategy is to hurt palestinian (civilians) as hard as possible Into submission, and that hé was negociating the

Heres the vidéo where Netanyahou brags that his strategy is to hurt palestinian (civilians) as hard as possible Into submission, and that hé was negociating the peace accords in Bad faith : https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.facebook.com/trtworld/videos/netanyahu-caught-bragging-in-leaked-video-from-2001/740416829986542/&ved=2ahUKEwjR3LHMjqaDAxVaUaQEHfHZBXYQtwJ6BAgcEAE&usg=AOvVaw3cx-lQuyDznV_5dRxEngu6 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=8997844... Im not sure what better fits the définition of terrorism for you At thé end of the day most israelis would be fine with a two state solution. This guy and other religious extremists liké Bennet have taken hostage the israeli people

riku_iki 3y ago
> Heres the vidéo where Netanyahou brags that his strategy is to hurt palestinian (civilians) More context: per some video from 2001 according to translation from Turkish regime propaganda broadcaster. > At thé end of the day most israelis would be fine with a two state solution Is Hamas Ok with two states?
- nielsbot 3y ago
  Israel has repeatedly blocked the 2 state solution. Even Rabin’s stance was “the Palestinians should have something but something less than full statehood” Israel encouraged Hamas by allowing Qatari support in to Gaza with the intent of keeping Gaza and the West Bank Finally the Hamas charter was amended and no longer calls for the destruction of Israel. In any case Israel (with the support of the US) has all the power in this conflict and they are the ones actually killing tens of thousands of innocents no matter what Hamas’ official position is.
  - rajup 3y ago
    > In any case Israel (with the support of the US) has all the power in this conflict and they are the ones actually killing tens of thousands of innocents What happened on Oct 7 then?
    - nielsbot 3y ago
      What’s happening in Gaza right now? Who is dropping the bombs? Whose army is in Gaza? What is also happening in the West Bank? What about the border in Lebanon. True there was a terroristic raid into Israel in which 1200 people lost their lives but the scale of power does not compare AT ALL
      - rajup 3y ago
        I find this line of reasoning very fascinating. Is your only issue that one side has a lot more weapons? If they were roughly equal would what’s happening in Gaza be ok?
        nielsbot 3y ago
        where did i say it would be ok?
- fwefqf 3y ago
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- davidguetta 3y ago
  Do you have a better translation ? Genuinely curious. Anyway it fits what you can read in more reputable sources such as https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/12/oslo-israel-reneged-colonial-palestine https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/12/oslo-i... (litteraly written by an osraeli) > Is Hamas Ok with two states? No. And some argue thats precisely why Netanyahu helped them get financed to have a scary enemy and play the security card while pursuing a territorial war instead of working for actual peace. Thats not my opinion. Thats what she israeli left wing is accusing him of : https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-11/ty-article/.premium/netanyahu-needed-a-strong-hamas/0000018b-1e9f-d47b-a7fb-bfdfd8f30000?v=1699977755358 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-11/ty-article/.p...
- arp242 3y ago
  > Is Hamas Ok with two states? The short answer is "we don't know for sure"; it has repeatedly says it does, but some are skeptical they mean it. In the last 15 years they haven't really been given much opportunity to prove it, so ... we don't know for sure. But I think an evolution similar to the PLO would have been possible (too late now). But we can ask the same about Israel: is Israel okay with two states? Because "just keep building settlements on the West Bank" doesn't sound much like it, or the way it's treated Gaza over the last 15 years, or tons of other actions over the last 60 years. And several of the religious Zionists now in government and holding several ministerial posts have pretty explicitly said they DON'T support a two-state solution, and have expressed views that at best can be viewed as supportive of ethnic cleansing (before Oct 7).

riku_iki 3y ago

> Heres the vidéo where Netanyahou brags that his strategy is to hurt palestinian (civilians) More context: per some video from 2001 according to translation from Turkish regime propaganda broadcaster. > At thé end of the day most israelis would be fine with a two state solution Is Hamas Ok with two states?

nielsbot 3y ago
Israel has repeatedly blocked the 2 state solution. Even Rabin’s stance was “the Palestinians should have something but something less than full statehood” Israel encouraged Hamas by allowing Qatari support in to Gaza with the intent of keeping Gaza and the West Bank Finally the Hamas charter was amended and no longer calls for the destruction of Israel. In any case Israel (with the support of the US) has all the power in this conflict and they are the ones actually killing tens of thousands of innocents no matter what Hamas’ official position is.
- rajup 3y ago
  > In any case Israel (with the support of the US) has all the power in this conflict and they are the ones actually killing tens of thousands of innocents What happened on Oct 7 then?
  - nielsbot 3y ago
    What’s happening in Gaza right now? Who is dropping the bombs? Whose army is in Gaza? What is also happening in the West Bank? What about the border in Lebanon. True there was a terroristic raid into Israel in which 1200 people lost their lives but the scale of power does not compare AT ALL
    - rajup 3y ago
      I find this line of reasoning very fascinating. Is your only issue that one side has a lot more weapons? If they were roughly equal would what’s happening in Gaza be ok?
      - nielsbot 3y ago
        where did i say it would be ok?
fwefqf 3y ago
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davidguetta 3y ago
Do you have a better translation ? Genuinely curious. Anyway it fits what you can read in more reputable sources such as https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/12/oslo-israel-reneged-colonial-palestine https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/12/oslo-i... (litteraly written by an osraeli) > Is Hamas Ok with two states? No. And some argue thats precisely why Netanyahu helped them get financed to have a scary enemy and play the security card while pursuing a territorial war instead of working for actual peace. Thats not my opinion. Thats what she israeli left wing is accusing him of : https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-11/ty-article/.premium/netanyahu-needed-a-strong-hamas/0000018b-1e9f-d47b-a7fb-bfdfd8f30000?v=1699977755358 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-11/ty-article/.p...
arp242 3y ago
> Is Hamas Ok with two states? The short answer is "we don't know for sure"; it has repeatedly says it does, but some are skeptical they mean it. In the last 15 years they haven't really been given much opportunity to prove it, so ... we don't know for sure. But I think an evolution similar to the PLO would have been possible (too late now). But we can ask the same about Israel: is Israel okay with two states? Because "just keep building settlements on the West Bank" doesn't sound much like it, or the way it's treated Gaza over the last 15 years, or tons of other actions over the last 60 years. And several of the religious Zionists now in government and holding several ministerial posts have pretty explicitly said they DON'T support a two-state solution, and have expressed views that at best can be viewed as supportive of ethnic cleansing (before Oct 7).