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At the beginning of the conflict I noticed my feed was fully leaning towards supporting Israel, even if it was only the posts of 3 people. Somehow the 30+ peopl

At the beginning of the conflict I noticed my feed was fully leaning towards supporting Israel, even if it was only the posts of 3 people. Somehow the 30+ people demanding the stop to the bombing of civilians didn't really start appearing until late November. They were posting the entire time, but Meta's algorithm decided not to show it to me.

rasz 3y ago
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- porkbeer 3y ago
  Yes, most condemn ALL violence.
  - salawat 3y ago
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- salawat 3y ago
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- dang 3y ago
  Please stop taking HN threads further into flamewar. Your account has a long history of doing this, and we've warned you many times. To continue doing it is not ok, and on this topic least of all. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34460722 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34460722 (Jan 2023) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33209948 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33209948 (Oct 2022) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32922335 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32922335 (Sept 2022) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31010834 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31010834 (April 2022) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27927198 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27927198 (July 2021) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27089584 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27089584 (May 2021) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26857484 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26857484 (April 2021) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21875867 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21875867 (Dec 2019) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15143690 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15143690 (Aug 2017) https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - neonsunset 3y ago
    It's only a flamewar when you and PG, as it happens on a weekly basis, disagree with the comment :)
    - eganist 3y ago
      No, they generally stand down heated topics even when it's something the hive mind would agree with. There are delicate ways of talking about these things that GP and plenty of others have a history of having a hard time employing. At this point I've been entrenched enough in discussion long enough to appreciate how this place is moderated by dang etc
      - busymom0 3y ago
        You mean pg? Or am I out of loop on who GP is?
        grzm 3y ago
        GP = grandparent: some comment upthread. (parent of parent when used literally).
    - dang 3y ago
      Then I must disagree with everybody, as I moderate comments from all sides of these. Anyone who looks fairly through my posting history can see that for themselves. Everyone with strong feelings on a topic feels like the mods are secretly against their view and moderating in favor of the other side [1]. I think it's because we're all hard-wired to notice the things we dislike and to weight them much more heavily [2]. In this context, it only takes 2 or 3 datapoints (actually, it probably only takes 1) of a moderator scolding a comment that you agree with for you to feel this way (<-- I don't mean you personally, I mean all of us). It's hard not to. But of course the people on the opposite extreme of the topic from you are feeling exactly the same way about the mods—they're just basing it on a different 2 or 3 (or 1) data points. (Btw, pg has had nothing to do with HN moderation for almost 10 years.) [1] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=%22always%20feels%22%20mods%20by%3Adang&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... [2] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20notice%20dislike&sort=byDate&type=story&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
sgregnt 3y ago
"At the beginning of the conflict..."
- Tostino 3y ago
  Yes... You had plenty of people saying "this is going to be your own version of Afghanistan/Iraq if you decide to do what you want to do..." Israel wanted revenge, not a solution. Their strategy has guaranteed that there will be another cycle of violence as the kids that grew up seeing their parents blown up in airstrikes are understandably going to be ripe for recruiting into whatever organization steps into power in place of Hamas.
  - mrpopo 3y ago
    It's simply their strategy, really. Turning Palestinians desperate so they turn to violence ("terrorism"), in order to justify turning their territory into even more of a shit hole, so Palestinians who can't take it anymore will emigrate, until the "problem" is gone.
    - __loam 3y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing
  - 859throwaway 3y ago
    I find such sentiment flabbergasting. Do you claim that Germany and Japan continued cycles of violence because the Allies firebombed Dresden and nuked Hiroshima? We learned after the two world wars that peace is possible if and only if there is hope, reconstruction, and a magnanimous victor. Hold Israel and the UN accountable to that. “Pacifists” preach the myth that resistance is a futile tragedy. But unfortunately violence is that can only be stopped by violence. This worldview also shows a lack of understanding of conflicts: why the “proportional response” assumption is nonsensical. Wars are extensions of political means, and the political objective is to remove Hamas as a viable regime or fighting force. However as much violence to achieve this will be expended: possibly no more if one side surrenders today. To think the cost will be or an eye for an eye is beyond naive. To think it should be is retributive. Unfortunately wars tear down all humanitie’s values and no side is innocent. Yet justice is a stochastic process, such that each person thinks at the back of their head and judges should the decision must fall, whose cause they would get behind.

rasz 3y ago

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porkbeer 3y ago
Yes, most condemn ALL violence.
- salawat 3y ago
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salawat 3y ago
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dang 3y ago
Please stop taking HN threads further into flamewar. Your account has a long history of doing this, and we've warned you many times. To continue doing it is not ok, and on this topic least of all. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34460722 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34460722 (Jan 2023) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33209948 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33209948 (Oct 2022) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32922335 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32922335 (Sept 2022) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31010834 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31010834 (April 2022) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27927198 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27927198 (July 2021) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27089584 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27089584 (May 2021) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26857484 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26857484 (April 2021) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21875867 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21875867 (Dec 2019) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15143690 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15143690 (Aug 2017) https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- neonsunset 3y ago
  It's only a flamewar when you and PG, as it happens on a weekly basis, disagree with the comment :)
  - eganist 3y ago
    No, they generally stand down heated topics even when it's something the hive mind would agree with. There are delicate ways of talking about these things that GP and plenty of others have a history of having a hard time employing. At this point I've been entrenched enough in discussion long enough to appreciate how this place is moderated by dang etc
    - busymom0 3y ago
      You mean pg? Or am I out of loop on who GP is?
      - grzm 3y ago
        GP = grandparent: some comment upthread. (parent of parent when used literally).
  - dang 3y ago
    Then I must disagree with everybody, as I moderate comments from all sides of these. Anyone who looks fairly through my posting history can see that for themselves. Everyone with strong feelings on a topic feels like the mods are secretly against their view and moderating in favor of the other side [1]. I think it's because we're all hard-wired to notice the things we dislike and to weight them much more heavily [2]. In this context, it only takes 2 or 3 datapoints (actually, it probably only takes 1) of a moderator scolding a comment that you agree with for you to feel this way (<-- I don't mean you personally, I mean all of us). It's hard not to. But of course the people on the opposite extreme of the topic from you are feeling exactly the same way about the mods—they're just basing it on a different 2 or 3 (or 1) data points. (Btw, pg has had nothing to do with HN moderation for almost 10 years.) [1] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=%22always%20feels%22%20mods%20by%3Adang&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... [2] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20notice%20dislike&sort=byDate&type=story&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

sgregnt 3y ago

"At the beginning of the conflict..."

Tostino 3y ago
Yes... You had plenty of people saying "this is going to be your own version of Afghanistan/Iraq if you decide to do what you want to do..." Israel wanted revenge, not a solution. Their strategy has guaranteed that there will be another cycle of violence as the kids that grew up seeing their parents blown up in airstrikes are understandably going to be ripe for recruiting into whatever organization steps into power in place of Hamas.
- mrpopo 3y ago
  It's simply their strategy, really. Turning Palestinians desperate so they turn to violence ("terrorism"), in order to justify turning their territory into even more of a shit hole, so Palestinians who can't take it anymore will emigrate, until the "problem" is gone.
  - __loam 3y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing
- 859throwaway 3y ago
  I find such sentiment flabbergasting. Do you claim that Germany and Japan continued cycles of violence because the Allies firebombed Dresden and nuked Hiroshima? We learned after the two world wars that peace is possible if and only if there is hope, reconstruction, and a magnanimous victor. Hold Israel and the UN accountable to that. “Pacifists” preach the myth that resistance is a futile tragedy. But unfortunately violence is that can only be stopped by violence. This worldview also shows a lack of understanding of conflicts: why the “proportional response” assumption is nonsensical. Wars are extensions of political means, and the political objective is to remove Hamas as a viable regime or fighting force. However as much violence to achieve this will be expended: possibly no more if one side surrenders today. To think the cost will be or an eye for an eye is beyond naive. To think it should be is retributive. Unfortunately wars tear down all humanitie’s values and no side is innocent. Yet justice is a stochastic process, such that each person thinks at the back of their head and judges should the decision must fall, whose cause they would get behind.