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You don't have much control over what is being generated. And if you did want to have fine control then what would be the difference compared to just dicking ar
by adroniser 3y ago
You don't have much control over what is being generated. And if you did want to have fine control then what would be the difference compared to just dicking around on a synthesizer?
A lot of the enjoyment of music comes from connecting emotionally with the artist. The artist had something to say based on their experience of life and adversity. You relate maybe because you've been there too. After all, you and the artist are both just human at the end of the day.
This is why for instance I have a hard time believing in AI girlfriends or AI therapists. It's not that I don't think that an AI could learn to be empathetic and say the right things at the right time, it's that I think there is something about you the human knowing it is an AI speaking that would make you not be able to connect. It's the knowledge that they haven't had any life experiences like you. They haven't had adversity or struggle.
- lacrimacida 3y agoI agree about music. When it comes to girlfriends and therapists when the medium is text the connection could be faked with a large corpus and RLHF. Keep in mind that some people already have inflatable girlfriends. It aint pretty but may serve some purpose for disfunctional people. I’d get more worried if it becomes a bigger thing. When it comes to chat therapy, it could be an interesting mode of self discovery. My only worry is if the goal is to attempt to replace therapists altogether.
- adroniser 3y agoDon't you think simply knowing it was an AI would mean you can't take it seriously? Or do you think this is just a cultural thing that will fade away in coming years.
- lacrimacida 3y agoIf it appears that it understands what you’re talking about, remembers past dialogue why not take it seriously, at least until you find serious flaws?
- adroniser 3y agoI'm saying that it's always going to be in the back of your head that it's an AI regardless of how it acts.
- lacrimacida 3y agoIf it’s like a mirror of how you act that makes it for an interesting tool. Nonetheless, a tool!
- saghm 3y ago>Are you making music, or generating music? > You don't have much control over what is being generated I don't understand this nitpick at all. What part of "make" implies fine-grained control over the output? Parents didn't have much control over what's generated when a child is, but by any reasonable definition of the word "make", the baby that comes out is "made" by the mother and (to a lesser extent) the father! > A lot of the enjoyment of music comes from connecting emotionally with the artist. The artist had something to say based on their experience of life and adversity. You relate maybe because you've been there too. I think you might be assuming that your experience generalizes a lot more than it does. I've been a musician for decades, and I'm constantly listening to music, and I don't need to know who did what to be able to enjoy a song. To be clear, there's nothing _wrong_ with that being part of your enjoyment, but there's nothing wrong with just liking to hear sounds that sound "good" without caring about where they came from.
- adroniser 3y agoI am definitely generalizing. It does seem to be a common sentiment expressed when this gets brought up though. Whether it's just an instance of me clinging on to anything to distinguish from AI or if it's a legitimate problem remains to be seen I guess. And there definitely are songs I feel I just enjoy in their own right. As for 'make' I guess that just comes down to semantics.
- saghm 3y agoHow do you reconcile the fact that music from people who have done pretty despicable things can still be widely popular? You can certainly argue that enough people are willing to look past someone being a murderer or child abuser or something because they still can find some sort of human connection with the artist, but given how uncommon that sort of sentiment is in basically every other part of life, it seems far more likely that people just don't really think about it an artist at all when they listen to their music if the artist is someone they wouldn't want to connect with.
- adroniser 3y ago
- p1esk 3y agoCheck out aiva.ai if you want more control over what’s being generated. Regarding the connection with an artist - I think it’s overrated. I don’t really care about Lady Gaga life experience to enjoy her songs. I have no idea who created half of the songs on my Spotify playlist. Artists create brief virtual life experiences through their songs. Songs I like usually remind me about something I have experienced or would like to experience.
- Kiro 3y ago> A lot of the enjoyment of music comes from connecting emotionally with the artist. The artist had something to say based on their experience of life and adversity. You relate maybe because you've been there too. After all, you and the artist are both just human at the end of the day. Absolutely not the case for me. The artist is just a name and I often don't know what the song is called. I have zero interest in the "meaning". It's all about the melody/harmonics, beat and production value for me.
- brookst 3y agoMelody, beat, and production techniques are all ways to express meaning. Do you feel anything when listening to favorite music? Odds are that feeling, or something like it, are intentionally conveyed, even in instrumentals.
- vidarh 3y agoA whole lot of the songs people like have lyrics and music written by the someone entirely different than the artists people connect with the song. A lot of the time people don't even know the name of them.