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It's a disgrace and a major credibility debility for the US and its western allys that this journalist is not free.

by Tepix 3y ago

IG_Semmelweiss 3y ago
I wholeheartedly agree with this sentiment, but one cant help but think that if he had been more methodological like Edward Snowden, and been more self-aware of his situation , it would have turned out so much better for him and freedom (because he would still be fighting for the cause). You could have a fighter on the field vs a martyr in jail. The freedom battle will be won on the field.
- grumbel 3y ago
  Snowden spend the last ten years in exile in Russia, that's not that much of an improvement.
  - arp242 3y ago
    Unlike Snowden, Assange never leaked anything, he merely published leaks. A subtle but important difference. Someone like Glenn Greenwald is a more apt comparison, and he's still living his life in freedom.
    - IG_Semmelweiss 3y ago
      Agreed. Yet, and Unlike snowden or arrange, Greenwald has not violated the veil of perceived inviolability of the national security caste in USA. Which is why Snowden & Assange have more in common with each other vs Greenwald. For the US natsec caste, laws and facts do not apply, the only thing that matters is the perceived status as above-the-law, and who is openly attacking such status
    - Fatnino 3y ago
      Greenwald was in a relationship with a partner half his age.
      - defrost 3y ago
        Yes. He was 38 when he married his husband who was 20 at the time. How does this relate to the topic?
        Fatnino 3y ago
        Ex-husband
- graphe 3y ago
  When he was accused falsely or when he was stuck at the embassy and couldn't release documents? He had a panic button to release more info but he didn't because they detained him quickly. https://www.businessinsider.com/assange-arrest-ecuador-prevent-alleged-panic-button-2019-4 https://www.businessinsider.com/assange-arrest-ecuador-preve...
- Thoreandan 3y ago
  > if he had been more methodological I assure you as someone who was reading WikiLeaks from before the big ones, they were extensively methodological, working with journalists and actually contacting the government with notices of upcoming releases providing them the opportunity to request reasonable redactions. They were as good or better than the infosec https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_vulnerability_disclosure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_vulnerability_disc... community.
infotainment 3y ago
Is it? I mean, I get that information wants to be free and all that, but publishing confidential information is a crime in most jurisdictions. Heck, even publishing your company’s trade secrets could get you imprisoned.
- 1oooqooq 3y ago
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- ath3nd 3y ago
  > I mean, I get that information wants to be free and all that, but publishing confidential information is a crime in most jurisdictions. War crimes would always and forever be considered confidential information in the jurisdiction of the country that committed them, I bet. Well, better not reveal that the very moral US army is using dogs on prisoners in Guantanamo, or killing 10 civilians as "collateral damage" while bombing a single target mingling with them. Maybe instead of crying how Assange broke the law, we can actually prosecute the people who did those atrocities and question how this is allowed to happen? Nah, let's put him in jail to rot, much like the Russians did with Navalny, an inconvenient politician, after they failed to poison him. > Heck, even publishing your company’s trade secrets could get you imprisoned. In civilized countries like Germany, for example, there are whistleblower laws that actually state you are liable if you DON'T report on your company's shady practices. You should also realize that they he was detained on a made-up rape accusation, basically sending a message that whoever you are, whatever you do, they will find a way make you shut up if you are doing your job too well. Hence the toothless journalism in America.
- ekianjo 3y ago
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It's a disgrace and a major credibility debility for the US and its western allys that this journalist is not free.

by Tepix 3y ago

It's a disgrace and a major credibility debility for the US and its western allys that this journalist is not free.

I wholeheartedly agree with this sentiment, but one cant help but think that if he had been more methodological like Edward Snowden, and been more self-aware of his situation , it would have turned out so much better for him and freedom (because he would still be fighting for the cause). You could have a fighter on the field vs a martyr in jail. The freedom battle will be won on the field.

grumbel 3y ago
Snowden spend the last ten years in exile in Russia, that's not that much of an improvement.
- arp242 3y ago
  Unlike Snowden, Assange never leaked anything, he merely published leaks. A subtle but important difference. Someone like Glenn Greenwald is a more apt comparison, and he's still living his life in freedom.
  - IG_Semmelweiss 3y ago
    Agreed. Yet, and Unlike snowden or arrange, Greenwald has not violated the veil of perceived inviolability of the national security caste in USA. Which is why Snowden & Assange have more in common with each other vs Greenwald. For the US natsec caste, laws and facts do not apply, the only thing that matters is the perceived status as above-the-law, and who is openly attacking such status
  - Fatnino 3y ago
    Greenwald was in a relationship with a partner half his age.
    - defrost 3y ago
      Yes. He was 38 when he married his husband who was 20 at the time. How does this relate to the topic?
      - Fatnino 3y ago
        Ex-husband
graphe 3y ago
When he was accused falsely or when he was stuck at the embassy and couldn't release documents? He had a panic button to release more info but he didn't because they detained him quickly. https://www.businessinsider.com/assange-arrest-ecuador-prevent-alleged-panic-button-2019-4 https://www.businessinsider.com/assange-arrest-ecuador-preve...
Thoreandan 3y ago
> if he had been more methodological I assure you as someone who was reading WikiLeaks from before the big ones, they were extensively methodological, working with journalists and actually contacting the government with notices of upcoming releases providing them the opportunity to request reasonable redactions. They were as good or better than the infosec https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_vulnerability_disclosure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_vulnerability_disc... community.

infotainment 3y ago

Is it? I mean, I get that information wants to be free and all that, but publishing confidential information is a crime in most jurisdictions. Heck, even publishing your company’s trade secrets could get you imprisoned.

1oooqooq 3y ago
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ath3nd 3y ago
> I mean, I get that information wants to be free and all that, but publishing confidential information is a crime in most jurisdictions. War crimes would always and forever be considered confidential information in the jurisdiction of the country that committed them, I bet. Well, better not reveal that the very moral US army is using dogs on prisoners in Guantanamo, or killing 10 civilians as "collateral damage" while bombing a single target mingling with them. Maybe instead of crying how Assange broke the law, we can actually prosecute the people who did those atrocities and question how this is allowed to happen? Nah, let's put him in jail to rot, much like the Russians did with Navalny, an inconvenient politician, after they failed to poison him. > Heck, even publishing your company’s trade secrets could get you imprisoned. In civilized countries like Germany, for example, there are whistleblower laws that actually state you are liable if you DON'T report on your company's shady practices. You should also realize that they he was detained on a made-up rape accusation, basically sending a message that whoever you are, whatever you do, they will find a way make you shut up if you are doing your job too well. Hence the toothless journalism in America.
ekianjo 3y ago
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