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Maybe it was just really bad comping/roto-ing of Lennon from original footage, but it looks pretty face-replacement-like to me... Unless you're talking about o

Maybe it was just really bad comping/roto-ing of Lennon from original footage, but it looks pretty face-replacement-like to me... Unless you're talking about original 35mm negatives (which in some cases might have been lost / destroyed / degraded) where there is normally 4K resolution (with decent film stock - as mentioned before, some of the stock quality from the late 70s and 80s was very bad and digitising it didn't produce the resolution expected), using print copies (one or two removed from the original negative) will generally only give you 2K resolution. The VFX would have been done at 2K anyway...

pixelesque 3y ago
Also, if you scan the negatives (instead of the prints), you'd very likely have to re-create the grading all over again, which is extra work, and you'd have to match it to the 2k print VFX footage...
- kranke155 3y ago
  As far as I know that is the reason why Matrix and a few other movies have had such drastic changes in their 4k version. They are indeed forced to redo all the color timing by going back to the negative. And since they have the opportunity, they go “hey why don’t we just improve the grade” Leading to a movie that looks completely different. Somehow this also happened with the French Connection.
kranke155 3y ago
True Lies was a huge hit and an Arnold movie. I’m 100% sure they have tons of 35mm copies of the whole movie, and the original negative. It would be insane if they didn’t. By the time True Lies came out home video already existed, so Hollywood had learnt about the long tail of movies in home release. The kind of movies we don’t have good prints for are usually either obscure, so nobody wanted to pay to keep everything in good condition, or somehow damaged, or like you said, not good films stock or just old enough damage happened.
- mistyvales 3y ago
  True Lies was shot by cinematographer Russell Carpenter (Titanic, Avatar: The Way of Water) on 35 mm photochemical film (in Super-35 “common top” format, with Eastman EXR 50D 5245, EXR 200T 5293, EXR 500T 5296 stocks) using Arriflex 35 BL4, 35 IIC, and 35-III as well as Moviecam Compact cameras, along with Zeiss Standard Speed, Super Speed, and Cooke Varotal lenses. Visual effects were also filmed in VistaVision format. The film was then finished photochemically in the 2.39:1 aspect ratio for theaters (which included 35 mm anamorphic blow-up release prints, as well as 70 mm blow-ups). For its release on Ultra HD, Lightstorm, working with Park Road Post, has built a new 4K Digital Intermediate using recent 4K scans of the original camera negative (confirmed per Lightstorm). This footage has been “optimized” by Park Road’s proprietary deep-learning algorithms. Photochemical grain has been greatly reduced, though not eliminated entirely, while fine detail has been “enhanced” algorithmically. There are also occasional shots throughout the film that appear to have had a bit of old-school noise reduction applied, but it’s hard to be sure if it’s actual DNR or simply just that the Park Road process has been a little too heavy-handed in places.
  - kranke155 3y ago
    Where did you get all this info from?
    - mistyvales 3y ago
      My bad, I thought I put the source. https://thedigitalbits.com/item/true-lies-2023-digital-uhd https://thedigitalbits.com/item/true-lies-2023-digital-uhd

pixelesque 3y ago

Also, if you scan the negatives (instead of the prints), you'd very likely have to re-create the grading all over again, which is extra work, and you'd have to match it to the 2k print VFX footage...

kranke155 3y ago
As far as I know that is the reason why Matrix and a few other movies have had such drastic changes in their 4k version. They are indeed forced to redo all the color timing by going back to the negative. And since they have the opportunity, they go “hey why don’t we just improve the grade” Leading to a movie that looks completely different. Somehow this also happened with the French Connection.

kranke155 3y ago

True Lies was a huge hit and an Arnold movie. I’m 100% sure they have tons of 35mm copies of the whole movie, and the original negative. It would be insane if they didn’t. By the time True Lies came out home video already existed, so Hollywood had learnt about the long tail of movies in home release. The kind of movies we don’t have good prints for are usually either obscure, so nobody wanted to pay to keep everything in good condition, or somehow damaged, or like you said, not good films stock or just old enough damage happened.

mistyvales 3y ago
True Lies was shot by cinematographer Russell Carpenter (Titanic, Avatar: The Way of Water) on 35 mm photochemical film (in Super-35 “common top” format, with Eastman EXR 50D 5245, EXR 200T 5293, EXR 500T 5296 stocks) using Arriflex 35 BL4, 35 IIC, and 35-III as well as Moviecam Compact cameras, along with Zeiss Standard Speed, Super Speed, and Cooke Varotal lenses. Visual effects were also filmed in VistaVision format. The film was then finished photochemically in the 2.39:1 aspect ratio for theaters (which included 35 mm anamorphic blow-up release prints, as well as 70 mm blow-ups). For its release on Ultra HD, Lightstorm, working with Park Road Post, has built a new 4K Digital Intermediate using recent 4K scans of the original camera negative (confirmed per Lightstorm). This footage has been “optimized” by Park Road’s proprietary deep-learning algorithms. Photochemical grain has been greatly reduced, though not eliminated entirely, while fine detail has been “enhanced” algorithmically. There are also occasional shots throughout the film that appear to have had a bit of old-school noise reduction applied, but it’s hard to be sure if it’s actual DNR or simply just that the Park Road process has been a little too heavy-handed in places.
- kranke155 3y ago
  Where did you get all this info from?
  - mistyvales 3y ago
    My bad, I thought I put the source. https://thedigitalbits.com/item/true-lies-2023-digital-uhd https://thedigitalbits.com/item/true-lies-2023-digital-uhd