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The Beatles project was a pretty good transfer, I'd say. It's the needless use of the same tech to create these horrific transfers of Cameron's work that are cr

The Beatles project was a pretty good transfer, I'd say. It's the needless use of the same tech to create these horrific transfers of Cameron's work that are creating controversy. The Matrix was also destroyed in its 4k transfer by ridiculously bad color correction.

evandrofisico 3y ago
The Matrix new transfer made me really sad. It is one of my favorite movies of all time, and this new version had the colors done all wrong and in some scenes, I had the impression that the framerate was wrong, especially the bullet time and other action scenes, like they don't match the rest of the movie.
- gjsman-1000 3y ago
  Curiously, if you look into it, it was the original home release that had the colors done all wrong. The original theatrical release was, according to observers, hardly green. The 4K version, ironically, is more correct to the original theatrical film.
  - wharvle 3y ago
    The original dvd release was fine. It was every release after the second movie that “fixed” the first by making its color grading as smash-you-in-the-face green as the sequels (except the newest 4k I’m aware of, which put it back to something resembling the original color grading)
    - kranke155 3y ago
      Ah that makes sense. I had the original release and watched it first in DVD - it was the first DVD I ever watched, and it blew me away. I struggle to believe that the 4K restoration matches the theatrical, but I never saw it. But the Colors in it are so digital and garish, I don’t see how that would been how the 35mm film stock would have looked. Now I’m interested in finding out.
FirmwareBurner 3y ago
>The Matrix was also destroyed in its 4k transfer by ridiculously bad color correction. Which of the color corrections destroyed it? The one where they made everything green? Or the one where they made the colors 'normal'?
- kranke155 3y ago
  Probably both. Seems like the first release of the Matrix on DVD had it right. I watched that one and fell in love with the movie. After the sequels it appears they “greened up” the DVD. Now on 4k they’ve done an abysmal and horrific job. Apparently Bill Pope was involved but I never know anymore. 4k formats are ridiculous anyway. At an average healthy distance from a TV that’s not giant you should be barely able to tell the difference between 4k and a great high bit rate 1080p/2k.
gjsman-1000 3y ago
In my opinion, the original was cartoonishly green. Theatergoers also commented the home release was way more apparently green than the original theatrical version - mainly due to the limitations of home media. Now with 4K, we’re finally closer to the original intent.
- pimlottc 3y ago
  The question is should we be going for "original intent" or "original effect"? Regardless of the filmmakers' intention, the "cartoonishly green" original theatrical version is what became a smash hit. Once the public has seen it, and embraced it, shouldn't that be considered the canonical version? The proof of the pudding is in the eating, after all. To tinker with it afterwards risks ruining the effect, regardless of the intention.
  - gjsman-1000 3y ago
    No, you’re missing my point. The theatrical film had very little green tint compared to the home releases. The home releases are “cartoonishly green” when the theatrical version was not. The 4K simply goes back to what it was originally. It is, quite literally, undoing the tampering that’s been happening since the first (edit: second, 2004 release) DVD.
    - pimlottc 3y ago
      Ah, when you said “the original” I assumed that was referring to the theatrical release.
      - kranke155 3y ago
        He’s kind of wrong tho. The cartoonishly green version of it is the second DVD release which tried to match the sequels. The theatrical release and the first DVD were not cartoonishly green. So the 4k release is attempting to fix an issue introduced later on anyway. The theatrical release does not match the current 4k “revision”
gjsman-1000 3y ago
That “ridiculously bad color correction” is actually… the original theatrical film! I’m not kidding. To quote AVForum: Now The Matrix has been an odd fish in terms of releases on home formats, with a reasonably natural tone to its original almost flagship DVD release back in 1999 (it was one of the first titles that many DVD adopters bought), but - years later - a very different look to its 2004 re-release on DVD. Everything in 'The Matrix' suddenly became really green. This green-tinged 'style' carried on to its Blu-ray release in 2008, where things were dialled back a little, but some sequences were still almost monochromatic in their green bent. It's a stylised look which, for many, doesn't really capture the original vision of The Matrix that was in theatres back in 1999, so it's a massive relief that this new native 4K remaster - culled from the Super 35 negatives with 2K VFX shots and supervised by the original director of photography - has been completely regraded to give an all-new look which suits not only the modern sensibilities of HDR10 and Dolby Vision, but also the original theatrical vision of the piece. https://www.avforums.com/reviews/the-matrix-4k-blu-ray-review.14950/ https://www.avforums.com/reviews/the-matrix-4k-blu-ray-revie...
- kranke155 3y ago
  That’s interesting. I only watched the first Matrix on DVD I was too young for theatrical. It was an amazing experience to watch it projected in our living room. I can’t say anything about what the theatrical Matrix looked like since I didn’t watch it, but the Color’s are so garish and over the top on the 4k, I really struggle to believe that was 100% the original look. 35mm film just doesn’t look like that in my experience.
- kranke155 3y ago
  Ah so you’re wrong. I watched the first release of the Matriz, which was correct. It was the second release which was green. This was after the sequels. So it depends which release you watched. So since I watched the first DVD release I’m assuming that was close to the theatrical. And it Didn’t look at all like the 4k “remaster”.

evandrofisico 3y ago

The Matrix new transfer made me really sad. It is one of my favorite movies of all time, and this new version had the colors done all wrong and in some scenes, I had the impression that the framerate was wrong, especially the bullet time and other action scenes, like they don't match the rest of the movie.

gjsman-1000 3y ago
Curiously, if you look into it, it was the original home release that had the colors done all wrong. The original theatrical release was, according to observers, hardly green. The 4K version, ironically, is more correct to the original theatrical film.
- wharvle 3y ago
  The original dvd release was fine. It was every release after the second movie that “fixed” the first by making its color grading as smash-you-in-the-face green as the sequels (except the newest 4k I’m aware of, which put it back to something resembling the original color grading)
  - kranke155 3y ago
    Ah that makes sense. I had the original release and watched it first in DVD - it was the first DVD I ever watched, and it blew me away. I struggle to believe that the 4K restoration matches the theatrical, but I never saw it. But the Colors in it are so digital and garish, I don’t see how that would been how the 35mm film stock would have looked. Now I’m interested in finding out.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago

>The Matrix was also destroyed in its 4k transfer by ridiculously bad color correction. Which of the color corrections destroyed it? The one where they made everything green? Or the one where they made the colors 'normal'?

kranke155 3y ago
Probably both. Seems like the first release of the Matrix on DVD had it right. I watched that one and fell in love with the movie. After the sequels it appears they “greened up” the DVD. Now on 4k they’ve done an abysmal and horrific job. Apparently Bill Pope was involved but I never know anymore. 4k formats are ridiculous anyway. At an average healthy distance from a TV that’s not giant you should be barely able to tell the difference between 4k and a great high bit rate 1080p/2k.

gjsman-1000 3y ago

In my opinion, the original was cartoonishly green. Theatergoers also commented the home release was way more apparently green than the original theatrical version - mainly due to the limitations of home media. Now with 4K, we’re finally closer to the original intent.

pimlottc 3y ago
The question is should we be going for "original intent" or "original effect"? Regardless of the filmmakers' intention, the "cartoonishly green" original theatrical version is what became a smash hit. Once the public has seen it, and embraced it, shouldn't that be considered the canonical version? The proof of the pudding is in the eating, after all. To tinker with it afterwards risks ruining the effect, regardless of the intention.
- gjsman-1000 3y ago
  No, you’re missing my point. The theatrical film had very little green tint compared to the home releases. The home releases are “cartoonishly green” when the theatrical version was not. The 4K simply goes back to what it was originally. It is, quite literally, undoing the tampering that’s been happening since the first (edit: second, 2004 release) DVD.
  - pimlottc 3y ago
    Ah, when you said “the original” I assumed that was referring to the theatrical release.
    - kranke155 3y ago
      He’s kind of wrong tho. The cartoonishly green version of it is the second DVD release which tried to match the sequels. The theatrical release and the first DVD were not cartoonishly green. So the 4k release is attempting to fix an issue introduced later on anyway. The theatrical release does not match the current 4k “revision”

gjsman-1000 3y ago

That “ridiculously bad color correction” is actually… the original theatrical film! I’m not kidding. To quote AVForum: Now The Matrix has been an odd fish in terms of releases on home formats, with a reasonably natural tone to its original almost flagship DVD release back in 1999 (it was one of the first titles that many DVD adopters bought), but - years later - a very different look to its 2004 re-release on DVD. Everything in 'The Matrix' suddenly became really green. This green-tinged 'style' carried on to its Blu-ray release in 2008, where things were dialled back a little, but some sequences were still almost monochromatic in their green bent. It's a stylised look which, for many, doesn't really capture the original vision of The Matrix that was in theatres back in 1999, so it's a massive relief that this new native 4K remaster - culled from the Super 35 negatives with 2K VFX shots and supervised by the original director of photography - has been completely regraded to give an all-new look which suits not only the modern sensibilities of HDR10 and Dolby Vision, but also the original theatrical vision of the piece. https://www.avforums.com/reviews/the-matrix-4k-blu-ray-review.14950/ https://www.avforums.com/reviews/the-matrix-4k-blu-ray-revie...

kranke155 3y ago
That’s interesting. I only watched the first Matrix on DVD I was too young for theatrical. It was an amazing experience to watch it projected in our living room. I can’t say anything about what the theatrical Matrix looked like since I didn’t watch it, but the Color’s are so garish and over the top on the 4k, I really struggle to believe that was 100% the original look. 35mm film just doesn’t look like that in my experience.
kranke155 3y ago
Ah so you’re wrong. I watched the first release of the Matriz, which was correct. It was the second release which was green. This was after the sequels. So it depends which release you watched. So since I watched the first DVD release I’m assuming that was close to the theatrical. And it Didn’t look at all like the 4k “remaster”.