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> That is a critically important data point which _suggests that he had reason to believe_ his actions caused the damage. No, all it suggests is that he didn't

> That is a critically important data point which _suggests that he had reason to believe_ his actions caused the damage. No, all it suggests is that he didn't know how to stand up for himself. He went along with allowing his insurance to pay for it. To quote the Reuters report again: > Jain is one of tens of thousands of Tesla owners who have experienced premature failures of suspension or steering parts, according to a Reuters review of thousands of Tesla documents. The chronic failures, many in relatively new vehicles, date back at least seven years and stretch across Tesla’s model lineup and across the globe, from China to the United States to Europe, according to the records and interviews with more than 20 customers and nine former Tesla managers or service technicians. People struggle to integrate what's true. Take you, for example. You can't get your mind around the idea that Tesla is in fact a grubby company that lies routinely. Tesla keeps lying because it can rely on people like you who simply refuse to believe that Tesla lies. Tesla lies about full self-driving. Look, in 2016 Tesla said "as of today, all Tesla vehicles produced in our factory – including Model 3 – will have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver." That was a lie : https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now-have-full-self-driving-hardware https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now... 1 million robotaxis were promised for 2020. That was a lie: https://www.thedrive.com/news/38129/elon-musk-promised-1-million-tesla-robotaxis-by-the-end-of-2020-where-are-they https://www.thedrive.com/news/38129/elon-musk-promised-1-mil... Tesla's timeline of full self-driving lies: https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/ https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/ Tesla even lies about things as trivial quarter mile times: https://insideevs.com/news/699260/tesla-cybertruck-porsche-race/ https://insideevs.com/news/699260/tesla-cybertruck-porsche-r... Lying is built into Tesla's DNA as a company. The fish does indeed rot from the head. > We. Don't. Know. We do. You just don't want to Believe it.

frumper 3y ago
It’s quite possible you’re right. It might even be likely. But likely isn’t knowing. This wouldn’t be the first story on the internet without all the facts. I can’t imagine many people would walk away from $12k so easily. Also, why would the insurance pay for it? They’d tell him it’s under warranty and get Tesla to pay for it.
- clouddrover 3y ago
  Insurance companies go by the reports from repairers. They don't investigate every individual case themselves.
  - frumper 3y ago
    Insurance companies send a claims adjuster to inspect it themselves. They aren’t just going to fix your car unless they think it’s covered because of some type of accident. It sounds like they agreed with Tesla at their expense.
    - clouddrover 3y ago
      Only when they decide it's worth their time. They don't send in loss adjusters for every case. Just think about what you're saying logically. Have a read about how it works: https://www.morganclark.co.uk/loss-adjusters-your-questions-answered/ https://www.morganclark.co.uk/loss-adjusters-your-questions-...
      - frumper 3y ago
        I've never dealt with car/home insurance where they didnt send someone. Claims far less than what this was.
        clouddrover 3y ago
        Hooray. Your individual experience is not universal.
      - belltaco 3y ago
        > Only when they decide it's worth their time 12K claim on a car that was allegedy sold as new 24 hours ago? Super unlikely a loss adjuster wasn't sent and came to the same conclusion as Tesla.
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belltaco 3y ago
> Jain owned the car for less than 24 hours. You can damage a car in a few minutes of driving. >Jain didn't damage the car You know that how? Jain did damage that car. > Tesla initially agreed Jain didn't damage the car. Then Tesla changed its tune and claimed Jain damaged the car. They did an initial assessment and a more thorough assessment in the shop showed it was external damage.
- clouddrover 3y ago
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  - simondotau 3y ago
    > The car failed. That's your belief. You weren't there. Look mate, we get it. Believing this fits your preconceptions as Hacker News' most obsessive and prolific hater of Tesla and Musk. In your view, anything bad that happens is Musk's fault. In your view, every single one of the million Tesla customers only ever tell the truth. It's the worst company on the planet exclusively selling cars to the most honest people who ever lived. That's your simple reality of it.
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  - saturn_vk 3y ago
    The only entity that actually inspected the car said it was damaged. And I don't think you were there, so why state it with such misguided confidence?
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frumper 3y ago

It’s quite possible you’re right. It might even be likely. But likely isn’t knowing. This wouldn’t be the first story on the internet without all the facts. I can’t imagine many people would walk away from $12k so easily. Also, why would the insurance pay for it? They’d tell him it’s under warranty and get Tesla to pay for it.

clouddrover 3y ago
Insurance companies go by the reports from repairers. They don't investigate every individual case themselves.
- frumper 3y ago
  Insurance companies send a claims adjuster to inspect it themselves. They aren’t just going to fix your car unless they think it’s covered because of some type of accident. It sounds like they agreed with Tesla at their expense.
  - clouddrover 3y ago
    Only when they decide it's worth their time. They don't send in loss adjusters for every case. Just think about what you're saying logically. Have a read about how it works: https://www.morganclark.co.uk/loss-adjusters-your-questions-answered/ https://www.morganclark.co.uk/loss-adjusters-your-questions-...
    - frumper 3y ago
      I've never dealt with car/home insurance where they didnt send someone. Claims far less than what this was.
      - clouddrover 3y ago
        Hooray. Your individual experience is not universal.
    - belltaco 3y ago
      > Only when they decide it's worth their time 12K claim on a car that was allegedy sold as new 24 hours ago? Super unlikely a loss adjuster wasn't sent and came to the same conclusion as Tesla.
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belltaco 3y ago

> Jain owned the car for less than 24 hours. You can damage a car in a few minutes of driving. >Jain didn't damage the car You know that how? Jain did damage that car. > Tesla initially agreed Jain didn't damage the car. Then Tesla changed its tune and claimed Jain damaged the car. They did an initial assessment and a more thorough assessment in the shop showed it was external damage.

clouddrover 3y ago
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- simondotau 3y ago
  > The car failed. That's your belief. You weren't there. Look mate, we get it. Believing this fits your preconceptions as Hacker News' most obsessive and prolific hater of Tesla and Musk. In your view, anything bad that happens is Musk's fault. In your view, every single one of the million Tesla customers only ever tell the truth. It's the worst company on the planet exclusively selling cars to the most honest people who ever lived. That's your simple reality of it.
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- saturn_vk 3y ago
  The only entity that actually inspected the car said it was damaged. And I don't think you were there, so why state it with such misguided confidence?

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