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you don't even have a decent web browser on your iphone and even with all your apple tax money you can't do nothing about it

by slim 3y ago

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skydhash 3y ago
It does everything I want. So much that I’m using the desktop version too.
- zeta0134 3y ago
  My iPad is simply not capable of running uBlock Origin. Until this changes, switching my main mobile device to an iPhone is a complete non-option. I absolutely must be able to run software I choose, full stop.
  - cweagans 3y ago
    I choose software that runs on the devices that I don’t have to mess around with. There are plenty of options that do work across the Apple ecosystem. ublock is not the only option, nor is it necessarily the best one. The extremely minor inconvenience of finding a different adblocker is one time pain. Attempting to curate the “perfect” computing environment is pain that just doesn’t go away. I ran many different distros. I ran LFS as my daily driver for several years. I played with all of the desktop environments. What did it get me? Nothing. There is no practical value in sinking the time into that. It’s fun, sure. But I don’t get paid to have fun. My business doesn’t run on fun.
    - zeta0134 3y ago
      The irritating thing is that the software I want to run works perfectly fine on my mac mini. That's in the Apple ecosystem and yet respects enough of my freedoms to not be a problem. But the iOS devices are entirely locked down. The ad blocker thing one tiny example; what I actually want to run is Real(tm) Firefox and its rich extension ecosystem. There are dozens of little accessibility enhancements I run on top of just the content blocker. The iOS versions of Firefox are heavily gimped, aren't allowed to run the Gecko rendering engine (purely because Apple said so) and can't do the things I need. My iPad basically doesn't have a good browser, just a cheap plastic imitation of the Amulet of Mozilla. All of my other devices do, so it's the odd one out. It's not just Firefox, but that's the example everyone's heard of, so it's what I tend to lead with. I'd also like to be able to run weird media software, background file syncing services that aren't iCloud, and (gasp!) retro game emulators on the devices I own. All disallowed by app store policy, and unlike Android which supports sideloading and alternate app stores, on iOS I have no recourse as an end user. So I choose not to be an end user; I won't purchase hardware that refuses to respect my wishes.
      - cweagans 3y ago
        I mean, that's fine. My argument about adblockers applies to other software too: the Apple ecosystem has some of the basics (like sync, browsers, etc) figured out for me so that I don't need to fiddle with it. While I'd like to use Firefox, I don't need to, and the tradeoffs that come with accepting Safari instead are worth it for my specific situation. Forcing myself into a different ecosystem so that I can use different software that does the same thing isn't a good tradeoff for me. It sounds like that's not the case for you - glad you've found an ecosystem that works for you. There are a couple of things you might want to be aware of though: * AltStore exists and works pretty well: https://altstore.io https://altstore.io * iOS 17.2 allows users in some locales to side load apps: https://medium.com/@rmndrathna4/ios-17-2-sideload-apps-what-you-need-to-know-about-apples-new-feature-dcae5665122a https://medium.com/@rmndrathna4/ios-17-2-sideload-apps-what-... . This was sparked by the Digital Markets Act, which could also force Apple to allow alternate browser engines. It went into effect May 2023, but I'm not a lawyer and idk how this will actually affect the Apple ecosystem. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Markets_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Markets_Act
- danhau 3y ago
  I’m in the same boat. I’m even thinking about switching to Edge on Windows machines. Stock browser are perfectly fine nowadays.
- addicted 3y ago
  It’s funny how so many Apple users insist their Apple device does everything they want, until Apple releases a new update that does something more that other devices have had for years, and then they’re not just using it all the time but boasting about it. One of the most classic examples was Copy/Paste or Apps. I remember so many Apple users telling me that Copy/Paste was unnecessary on an iPhone or that WebApps were good enough (something I completely disagreed with) only to see them change their tune completely once Apple released those functionalities. I remember how 5G was supposed to be an albatross of a feature until Apple released their phones supporting 5G. Or how digital pens weren’t needed at all, until Apple released an iPad with a digital pen and then it was just raves about how digital pens are awesome. How can one forget larger screens! I remember how 3.5” was THE perfect phone screen size and now you can’t even buy a phone that size from Apple. Multitasking! I’ve tried switching to Android but never been successful. I simply don’t like it and enjoy iOS too much. That doesn’t mean I need to be blind to all the missing iOS functionality and pretend my I wouldnt be happier if they weren’t missing. I just find that the upsides are more than worth the downsides. That doesn’t mean I need to pretend those downsides don’t exist.
  - averageRoyalty 3y ago
    > It’s funny how so many Apple users insist their Apple device does everything they want, until Apple releases a new update that does something more that other devices have had for years, and then they’re not just using it all the time but boasting about it. Isn't that normally the case? You have a device that does X you're happy with, and they add a new feature. You didn't know how useful it would be, so you're excited and show it off. I'd imagine there are plenty of examples of his with Android, or your favourite car brand or all sorts of things.

you don't even have a decent web browser on your iphone and even with all your apple tax money you can't do nothing about it

by slim 3y ago

you don't even have a decent web browser on your iphone and even with all your apple tax money you can't do nothing about it

deleted 3y ago

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skydhash 3y ago

It does everything I want. So much that I’m using the desktop version too.

zeta0134 3y ago
My iPad is simply not capable of running uBlock Origin. Until this changes, switching my main mobile device to an iPhone is a complete non-option. I absolutely must be able to run software I choose, full stop.
- cweagans 3y ago
  I choose software that runs on the devices that I don’t have to mess around with. There are plenty of options that do work across the Apple ecosystem. ublock is not the only option, nor is it necessarily the best one. The extremely minor inconvenience of finding a different adblocker is one time pain. Attempting to curate the “perfect” computing environment is pain that just doesn’t go away. I ran many different distros. I ran LFS as my daily driver for several years. I played with all of the desktop environments. What did it get me? Nothing. There is no practical value in sinking the time into that. It’s fun, sure. But I don’t get paid to have fun. My business doesn’t run on fun.
  - zeta0134 3y ago
    The irritating thing is that the software I want to run works perfectly fine on my mac mini. That's in the Apple ecosystem and yet respects enough of my freedoms to not be a problem. But the iOS devices are entirely locked down. The ad blocker thing one tiny example; what I actually want to run is Real(tm) Firefox and its rich extension ecosystem. There are dozens of little accessibility enhancements I run on top of just the content blocker. The iOS versions of Firefox are heavily gimped, aren't allowed to run the Gecko rendering engine (purely because Apple said so) and can't do the things I need. My iPad basically doesn't have a good browser, just a cheap plastic imitation of the Amulet of Mozilla. All of my other devices do, so it's the odd one out. It's not just Firefox, but that's the example everyone's heard of, so it's what I tend to lead with. I'd also like to be able to run weird media software, background file syncing services that aren't iCloud, and (gasp!) retro game emulators on the devices I own. All disallowed by app store policy, and unlike Android which supports sideloading and alternate app stores, on iOS I have no recourse as an end user. So I choose not to be an end user; I won't purchase hardware that refuses to respect my wishes.
    - cweagans 3y ago
      I mean, that's fine. My argument about adblockers applies to other software too: the Apple ecosystem has some of the basics (like sync, browsers, etc) figured out for me so that I don't need to fiddle with it. While I'd like to use Firefox, I don't need to, and the tradeoffs that come with accepting Safari instead are worth it for my specific situation. Forcing myself into a different ecosystem so that I can use different software that does the same thing isn't a good tradeoff for me. It sounds like that's not the case for you - glad you've found an ecosystem that works for you. There are a couple of things you might want to be aware of though: * AltStore exists and works pretty well: https://altstore.io https://altstore.io * iOS 17.2 allows users in some locales to side load apps: https://medium.com/@rmndrathna4/ios-17-2-sideload-apps-what-you-need-to-know-about-apples-new-feature-dcae5665122a https://medium.com/@rmndrathna4/ios-17-2-sideload-apps-what-... . This was sparked by the Digital Markets Act, which could also force Apple to allow alternate browser engines. It went into effect May 2023, but I'm not a lawyer and idk how this will actually affect the Apple ecosystem. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Markets_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Markets_Act
danhau 3y ago
I’m in the same boat. I’m even thinking about switching to Edge on Windows machines. Stock browser are perfectly fine nowadays.
addicted 3y ago
It’s funny how so many Apple users insist their Apple device does everything they want, until Apple releases a new update that does something more that other devices have had for years, and then they’re not just using it all the time but boasting about it. One of the most classic examples was Copy/Paste or Apps. I remember so many Apple users telling me that Copy/Paste was unnecessary on an iPhone or that WebApps were good enough (something I completely disagreed with) only to see them change their tune completely once Apple released those functionalities. I remember how 5G was supposed to be an albatross of a feature until Apple released their phones supporting 5G. Or how digital pens weren’t needed at all, until Apple released an iPad with a digital pen and then it was just raves about how digital pens are awesome. How can one forget larger screens! I remember how 3.5” was THE perfect phone screen size and now you can’t even buy a phone that size from Apple. Multitasking! I’ve tried switching to Android but never been successful. I simply don’t like it and enjoy iOS too much. That doesn’t mean I need to be blind to all the missing iOS functionality and pretend my I wouldnt be happier if they weren’t missing. I just find that the upsides are more than worth the downsides. That doesn’t mean I need to pretend those downsides don’t exist.
- averageRoyalty 3y ago
  > It’s funny how so many Apple users insist their Apple device does everything they want, until Apple releases a new update that does something more that other devices have had for years, and then they’re not just using it all the time but boasting about it. Isn't that normally the case? You have a device that does X you're happy with, and they add a new feature. You didn't know how useful it would be, so you're excited and show it off. I'd imagine there are plenty of examples of his with Android, or your favourite car brand or all sorts of things.