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In all fairness, while yes Bluesky so far has not yet lived up to their promise of decentralisation/federation, it’s still under development. It just hasn’t bee

In all fairness, while yes Bluesky so far has not yet lived up to their promise of decentralisation/federation, it’s still under development. It just hasn’t been built yet. Though, the whole blue sky stack is significantly more complicated than ActivityPub so I’m doubtful as many would actually set up “instances”.

dylan604 3y ago
> it’s still under development. It just hasn’t been built yet. Someone else was already first to market. Launching as an alternative that is half baked seems like really strange idea to me. Maybe they were trying to gain traction during the surge in Twitter hate, but if the thing you are asking them to jump ship to is a lesser product, only a tiny minority of them are going to stay. Half baked launches into a very well established market just seems like you'd be better off taking your investor's money and having grand ol' time in Vegas.
- madeofpalk 3y ago
  I agree - they're taking their sweet time. But, they very pointedly and deliberately have not launched yet. They're still very pre-alpha - this is why there's invites (not to try and create some sort of exclusivity). Naively, I appreciate that they're not trying to rush something out just to compete, but rather are taking the time to build the right thing.
  - fn-mote 3y ago
    I hate to say it, but when you're a new business on the front page of HN... and people are calling you "pre-alpha"... you're missing the boat. There goes another chance to grab a load of new members. Is this all about tech?? Not enough funding to get things built? I am not sure I'm even going to have the patience to wait to be allowed to try this platform. Reviews seem very lukewarm.
devinivy 3y ago
On the upside, atproto "instances" (we often call them "personal data servers") have much less responsibility than the typical Mastodon instance. So folks should find them quite cheap and easy to run. One reason is that they don't need to directly support application features such as timeline construction, search, image optimization, etc: they just host your social data. We have 10 servers federating in production, each housing around 270,000 users, and it all runs on disk and sqlite, quite affordable! We migrated 2 million users off a single large host onto these 10 smaller ones transparently and without need for much fanfare. We're dedicated to the tech and seeing it work in production has been super heartening.
- pfraze 3y ago
  the entire architecture is like if you started with the typical architecture for social network, but then got rid of the organizational perimeters. the atproto instances (PDSes) handle primary data storage, key management, and request routing. they're otherwise quite dumb, which as divy is saying makes them cheap to run and also general purpose for other kinds of applications. the app-specific business logic lives in the aggregator services that pull from those instances
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dylan604 3y ago

> it’s still under development. It just hasn’t been built yet. Someone else was already first to market. Launching as an alternative that is half baked seems like really strange idea to me. Maybe they were trying to gain traction during the surge in Twitter hate, but if the thing you are asking them to jump ship to is a lesser product, only a tiny minority of them are going to stay. Half baked launches into a very well established market just seems like you'd be better off taking your investor's money and having grand ol' time in Vegas.

madeofpalk 3y ago
I agree - they're taking their sweet time. But, they very pointedly and deliberately have not launched yet. They're still very pre-alpha - this is why there's invites (not to try and create some sort of exclusivity). Naively, I appreciate that they're not trying to rush something out just to compete, but rather are taking the time to build the right thing.
- fn-mote 3y ago
  I hate to say it, but when you're a new business on the front page of HN... and people are calling you "pre-alpha"... you're missing the boat. There goes another chance to grab a load of new members. Is this all about tech?? Not enough funding to get things built? I am not sure I'm even going to have the patience to wait to be allowed to try this platform. Reviews seem very lukewarm.

devinivy 3y ago

On the upside, atproto "instances" (we often call them "personal data servers") have much less responsibility than the typical Mastodon instance. So folks should find them quite cheap and easy to run. One reason is that they don't need to directly support application features such as timeline construction, search, image optimization, etc: they just host your social data. We have 10 servers federating in production, each housing around 270,000 users, and it all runs on disk and sqlite, quite affordable! We migrated 2 million users off a single large host onto these 10 smaller ones transparently and without need for much fanfare. We're dedicated to the tech and seeing it work in production has been super heartening.

pfraze 3y ago
the entire architecture is like if you started with the typical architecture for social network, but then got rid of the organizational perimeters. the atproto instances (PDSes) handle primary data storage, key management, and request routing. they're otherwise quite dumb, which as divy is saying makes them cheap to run and also general purpose for other kinds of applications. the app-specific business logic lives in the aggregator services that pull from those instances
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