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+1 for Kagi. But also, for the past few months, I’ve completely stopped searching the internet. ChatGPT-4 does the job way more effectively and I don’t see why

+1 for Kagi. But also, for the past few months, I’ve completely stopped searching the internet. ChatGPT-4 does the job way more effectively and I don’t see why I would go back to searching the internet (assuming the chatgpt experience doesn’t get nerfed in some way).

dvaun 3y ago
Agreed. For getting a range of opinions Kagi is best for searching through forums, finding technical blogs, etc. For quick intros to technical issues GPT4 gives a decent summary if the topic has been around for a while. For going in-depth, though, I still rely on technical docs…
te_chris 3y ago
ChatGPT is like living in an information tunnel. It’s amazing but it doesn’t replace search for me at all. Irony is when it does search, because it’s obviously just doing a quick crawl it actually makes things worse as it treats whatever shit it finds as authoritative - which, as anyone working on RAG knows, is a whole world of problems on its own. This is absolutely not to say that Google can be considered ‘good’ these days.
- graeme 3y ago
  Yeah they merged browsing into ChatGPT and it worsened the experience. I dread seeing the browsing icon show up to a question as the ai will get dumber.
  - bboygravity 3y ago
    When !OpenAI achieves AGI, Microsoft will just use it to drive more traffic to Bing and Azure. That's creativity and innovation Microsoft style.
  - tempestn 3y ago
    I've addressed this by adding a custom instruction to only search when necessary, when it can't give a good answer otherwise. Pretty much cuts the searching down to when I explicitly ask it to do so.
    - ukuina 3y ago
      They also have an official "ChatGPT Classic" that turns off plugins including Bing.
  - glenstein 3y ago
    Exactly the same for me, I've found answers derived from chat GPT training to be way more useful than the browser search answers. Half the time it doesn't work, it ads a lot of waiting time and it provides answers way less comprehensive. I have used the custom "classic" GPT bot when I have wanted to avoid Bing search answers.
hedora 3y ago
When kagi fails me, I use https://kagi.com/fastgpt https://kagi.com/fastgpt Much better than bing gpt in my experience.
- arcanemachiner 3y ago
  Damn, that's worth noting. Bing Chat (or Copilot or whatever they're calling it now) is my gold standard for web-enhanced GPT.
- arcastroe 3y ago
  https://phind.com https://phind.com is good too
  - therealdrag0 3y ago
    Thanks! This was able to tell me the characters in a less known novel with GP link and ChatGpt3.5 were unable to do. Though I asked it how to dry a comforter and it wrote me pseudo code lmao.
TriangleEdge 3y ago
I've been using ChatGPT and Perplexity with GPT4 as my replacement for DDG and Google. I never thought the day would come when I thought Google Search was going to be superseded. It's crazy times to me.
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- esperent 3y ago
  If some company makes a less sanitized but equally capable version of GPT4 then I could see it replacing Google. But for now you must keep your searches to a very limited, sanitized, corporate, non-copyright infringing, non-adult set of knowledge. And it's impossible to know what that will be beforehand, which makes using the tools very frustrating. For example, try searching for anything medical related. Even if you're clear that you not looking for medical advice, you're just looking for info, it won't give it (sorry, as an AI I can't give medical advice). I imagine this is very frustrating for medical students. And yes, I'm sure that I could coerce it into responding. Pretend your my grandmother telling me about her old medical recipes or some such. But that's still too annoying to do as anything except for testing the boundaries of the tool.
  - ukuina 3y ago
    If you contextualize your request (e.g., "this is hypothetical"), GPT4 answers quite a few medical questions.
    - esperent 3y ago
      Yeah but my point is that it's not a complete search tool while it makes you jump through hoops of indirectly asking "hypothetical" questions. It needs to directly answer all the questions that are given to it. If it must finish out the post with a disclaimer like "I am not a doctor/lawyer, this is not medical/legal advice" or whatever, that's fine.
  - cgriswald 3y ago
spaceman_2020 3y ago
Same for me. GPT-3.5 is good enough and pretty fast for most basic queries. GPT-4 is great at more detailed queries. Any time I do end up going to Google, I’m so disappointed by the search results that I just leave. The only thing its good for now is searching site:reddit.com

dvaun 3y ago

Agreed. For getting a range of opinions Kagi is best for searching through forums, finding technical blogs, etc. For quick intros to technical issues GPT4 gives a decent summary if the topic has been around for a while. For going in-depth, though, I still rely on technical docs…

te_chris 3y ago

ChatGPT is like living in an information tunnel. It’s amazing but it doesn’t replace search for me at all. Irony is when it does search, because it’s obviously just doing a quick crawl it actually makes things worse as it treats whatever shit it finds as authoritative - which, as anyone working on RAG knows, is a whole world of problems on its own. This is absolutely not to say that Google can be considered ‘good’ these days.

graeme 3y ago
Yeah they merged browsing into ChatGPT and it worsened the experience. I dread seeing the browsing icon show up to a question as the ai will get dumber.
- bboygravity 3y ago
  When !OpenAI achieves AGI, Microsoft will just use it to drive more traffic to Bing and Azure. That's creativity and innovation Microsoft style.
- tempestn 3y ago
  I've addressed this by adding a custom instruction to only search when necessary, when it can't give a good answer otherwise. Pretty much cuts the searching down to when I explicitly ask it to do so.
  - ukuina 3y ago
    They also have an official "ChatGPT Classic" that turns off plugins including Bing.
- glenstein 3y ago
  Exactly the same for me, I've found answers derived from chat GPT training to be way more useful than the browser search answers. Half the time it doesn't work, it ads a lot of waiting time and it provides answers way less comprehensive. I have used the custom "classic" GPT bot when I have wanted to avoid Bing search answers.

hedora 3y ago

When kagi fails me, I use https://kagi.com/fastgpt https://kagi.com/fastgpt Much better than bing gpt in my experience.

arcanemachiner 3y ago
Damn, that's worth noting. Bing Chat (or Copilot or whatever they're calling it now) is my gold standard for web-enhanced GPT.
arcastroe 3y ago
https://phind.com https://phind.com is good too
- therealdrag0 3y ago
  Thanks! This was able to tell me the characters in a less known novel with GP link and ChatGpt3.5 were unable to do. Though I asked it how to dry a comforter and it wrote me pseudo code lmao.

TriangleEdge 3y ago

I've been using ChatGPT and Perplexity with GPT4 as my replacement for DDG and Google. I never thought the day would come when I thought Google Search was going to be superseded. It's crazy times to me.

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esperent 3y ago
If some company makes a less sanitized but equally capable version of GPT4 then I could see it replacing Google. But for now you must keep your searches to a very limited, sanitized, corporate, non-copyright infringing, non-adult set of knowledge. And it's impossible to know what that will be beforehand, which makes using the tools very frustrating. For example, try searching for anything medical related. Even if you're clear that you not looking for medical advice, you're just looking for info, it won't give it (sorry, as an AI I can't give medical advice). I imagine this is very frustrating for medical students. And yes, I'm sure that I could coerce it into responding. Pretend your my grandmother telling me about her old medical recipes or some such. But that's still too annoying to do as anything except for testing the boundaries of the tool.
- ukuina 3y ago
  If you contextualize your request (e.g., "this is hypothetical"), GPT4 answers quite a few medical questions.
  - esperent 3y ago
    Yeah but my point is that it's not a complete search tool while it makes you jump through hoops of indirectly asking "hypothetical" questions. It needs to directly answer all the questions that are given to it. If it must finish out the post with a disclaimer like "I am not a doctor/lawyer, this is not medical/legal advice" or whatever, that's fine.
- cgriswald 3y ago

spaceman_2020 3y ago

Same for me. GPT-3.5 is good enough and pretty fast for most basic queries. GPT-4 is great at more detailed queries. Any time I do end up going to Google, I’m so disappointed by the search results that I just leave. The only thing its good for now is searching site:reddit.com