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I’ve switched to Kagi a couple of months ago. Every once in a while I struggle to get good search results, but then I check Google and it’s not any better there
by hmottestad 3y ago
I’ve switched to Kagi a couple of months ago. Every once in a while I struggle to get good search results, but then I check Google and it’s not any better there. It’s not always the greatest at promoting the sites I like, but I’ve already started boosting and pinning various domains to tailor the results to my own preference.
Still using a lot of other google stuff including gmail and maps. Just not search anymore.
- dilippkumar 3y ago+1 for Kagi. But also, for the past few months, I’ve completely stopped searching the internet. ChatGPT-4 does the job way more effectively and I don’t see why I would go back to searching the internet (assuming the chatgpt experience doesn’t get nerfed in some way).
- dvaun 3y agoAgreed. For getting a range of opinions Kagi is best for searching through forums, finding technical blogs, etc. For quick intros to technical issues GPT4 gives a decent summary if the topic has been around for a while. For going in-depth, though, I still rely on technical docs…
- te_chris 3y agoChatGPT is like living in an information tunnel. It’s amazing but it doesn’t replace search for me at all. Irony is when it does search, because it’s obviously just doing a quick crawl it actually makes things worse as it treats whatever shit it finds as authoritative - which, as anyone working on RAG knows, is a whole world of problems on its own. This is absolutely not to say that Google can be considered ‘good’ these days.
- graeme 3y agoYeah they merged browsing into ChatGPT and it worsened the experience. I dread seeing the browsing icon show up to a question as the ai will get dumber.
- bboygravity 3y agoWhen !OpenAI achieves AGI, Microsoft will just use it to drive more traffic to Bing and Azure. That's creativity and innovation Microsoft style.
- tempestn 3y agoI've addressed this by adding a custom instruction to only search when necessary, when it can't give a good answer otherwise. Pretty much cuts the searching down to when I explicitly ask it to do so.
- ukuina 3y agoThey also have an official "ChatGPT Classic" that turns off plugins including Bing.
- glenstein 3y agoExactly the same for me, I've found answers derived from chat GPT training to be way more useful than the browser search answers. Half the time it doesn't work, it ads a lot of waiting time and it provides answers way less comprehensive. I have used the custom "classic" GPT bot when I have wanted to avoid Bing search answers.
- hedora 3y agoWhen kagi fails me, I use https://kagi.com/fastgpt https://kagi.com/fastgpt Much better than bing gpt in my experience.
- arcanemachiner 3y agoDamn, that's worth noting. Bing Chat (or Copilot or whatever they're calling it now) is my gold standard for web-enhanced GPT.
- arcastroe 3y agohttps://phind.com https://phind.com is good too
- therealdrag0 3y agoThanks! This was able to tell me the characters in a less known novel with GP link and ChatGpt3.5 were unable to do. Though I asked it how to dry a comforter and it wrote me pseudo code lmao.
- TriangleEdge 3y agoI've been using ChatGPT and Perplexity with GPT4 as my replacement for DDG and Google. I never thought the day would come when I thought Google Search was going to be superseded. It's crazy times to me.
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- esperent 3y agoIf some company makes a less sanitized but equally capable version of GPT4 then I could see it replacing Google. But for now you must keep your searches to a very limited, sanitized, corporate, non-copyright infringing, non-adult set of knowledge. And it's impossible to know what that will be beforehand, which makes using the tools very frustrating. For example, try searching for anything medical related. Even if you're clear that you not looking for medical advice, you're just looking for info, it won't give it (sorry, as an AI I can't give medical advice). I imagine this is very frustrating for medical students. And yes, I'm sure that I could coerce it into responding. Pretend your my grandmother telling me about her old medical recipes or some such. But that's still too annoying to do as anything except for testing the boundaries of the tool.
- ukuina 3y agoIf you contextualize your request (e.g., "this is hypothetical"), GPT4 answers quite a few medical questions.
- esperent 3y agoYeah but my point is that it's not a complete search tool while it makes you jump through hoops of indirectly asking "hypothetical" questions. It needs to directly answer all the questions that are given to it. If it must finish out the post with a disclaimer like "I am not a doctor/lawyer, this is not medical/legal advice" or whatever, that's fine.
- cgriswald 3y ago
- spaceman_2020 3y agoSame for me. GPT-3.5 is good enough and pretty fast for most basic queries. GPT-4 is great at more detailed queries. Any time I do end up going to Google, I’m so disappointed by the search results that I just leave. The only thing its good for now is searching site:reddit.com
- breakingcups 3y agoI've trialed Kagi but it's not given me the best results, especially not in my native language or related to my local area. I still prefer to use Google or even DDG.
- freediver 3y agoWhat language is that?
- m3nu 3y agoYes, it's slightly worse for local results. But pretty good for most other searches.
- maronato 3y agoYou can select the region the search applies to in Kagi, and that will bias the results towards pages from that language/country. But yes, it definitely misses some results that Google doesn’t in that regard. That’s probably different in other regions, but it’s been my experience with pt-br
- calamari4065 3y agoI've been using kagi for almost a year, I think. Before that it was startpage or DDG. I also have the same experience where kagi doesn't find something I think it should, so I go try google. Holy hell is google bad. Shockingly bad. I genuinely can't believe how bad it is now compared to 10 years ago.
- stjohnswarts 3y agoeven a couple years ago. There is soooooo much AI generate trash nowadays like https://www.oggyboggydoop.com https://www.oggyboggydoop.com on the first page. How can google's SEO filtering be so bad?
- atorodius 3y agoDo you have example queries where Kagi shines? Just curious
- skinkestek 3y ago- Any time you are searching for something that can be misunderstood. - Especially if you feel the need to use doublequotes.
- calamari4065 3y agoNo, not really. Kagi is designed to show you what you ask for, and not for showing you the ads you're most likely to fall for. It simply takes your query and returns results matching it. That's really it. It's sad that "does what you ask" is a defining feature, but that's what kagi is. They have advanced features like "lenses" that bias your results toward a specific topic like programming, research, forums. It also lets you add weight to certain domains. For example, I have Pinterest and Facebook totally blacklisted, and some small sites boosted in my results. They also support advanced query syntax with double quotes, +/-, and other operators. Which is to say, kagi is the standard for "search engine that works". Nobody else sells a search engine that just works and does what you tell it to, which is literally all I want out of a search engine. It's mundane and unsexy, but it works, it doesn't advertise at me, and it lets me get my work done faster.
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