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GM has lost the plot. $60k for a small SUV, nobody is going to purchase that. Can we please let the auto companies go out of business this time?

throwaway5959 3y ago
GM yes Ford no.
- simfree 3y ago
  Look at resale values of Ford's EVs. Everyone besides Ford is deep underwater on used Ford EV car values.
  - brightball 3y ago
    I cannot even tell you how much I want them to get the F150 Lightning right. I really love the design. It just needs more range, a super-charger fast recharge option and a better price point. Currently just doesn't make sense for what it does.
    - throwaway5959 3y ago
      If they do all of that the goalposts will just be moved. If you’re looking for a truck that will get 500 miles of range while towing a motorhome at 80 mph, it’s just not going to happen.
      - brightball 3y ago
        I have a model 3 with 300 miles of range and the ability to recharge in 30 minutes on a long trip. It’s enough. But I got that vehicle for about $40k and it basically pays for itself in gas savings. On the flip side, a used Lightning that has 10k miles on it and a 200 mile range without a fast recharge option was available for $80k at a local dealer. I test drove it. It was great. The range and charge limitations make it only viable as a second vehicle.
SoftTalker 3y ago
Yeah I like to keep an eye on what's new in the automotive world but these prices are so far out of line with my idea of what a car should cost that it's just a curiosity.
arrowleaf 3y ago
Seriously. I can't believe that all of these auto makers got bailed out just so that they can screw around with stuff that will never be their area of expertise. Where is the innovation on gas mileage, impact safety beyond making the vehicles larger, getting decent diesels that can meet EPA regulations for passenger vehicles, etc? Instead automakers keep on reusing platforms that are hardly different from their previous generation and tack on software-based 'innovations' like they're a tech company. Usually for the worse like in this instance, replacing the (hardly) tried and true interfaces of CarPlay and Android Auto with their own software. Before this it was switching out climate control knobs for on-screen which don't work with gloves, throttle profiles which will never be used, etc...

throwaway5959 3y ago

GM yes Ford no.

simfree 3y ago
Look at resale values of Ford's EVs. Everyone besides Ford is deep underwater on used Ford EV car values.
- brightball 3y ago
  I cannot even tell you how much I want them to get the F150 Lightning right. I really love the design. It just needs more range, a super-charger fast recharge option and a better price point. Currently just doesn't make sense for what it does.
  - throwaway5959 3y ago
    If they do all of that the goalposts will just be moved. If you’re looking for a truck that will get 500 miles of range while towing a motorhome at 80 mph, it’s just not going to happen.
    - brightball 3y ago
      I have a model 3 with 300 miles of range and the ability to recharge in 30 minutes on a long trip. It’s enough. But I got that vehicle for about $40k and it basically pays for itself in gas savings. On the flip side, a used Lightning that has 10k miles on it and a 200 mile range without a fast recharge option was available for $80k at a local dealer. I test drove it. It was great. The range and charge limitations make it only viable as a second vehicle.

SoftTalker 3y ago

Yeah I like to keep an eye on what's new in the automotive world but these prices are so far out of line with my idea of what a car should cost that it's just a curiosity.

arrowleaf 3y ago

Seriously. I can't believe that all of these auto makers got bailed out just so that they can screw around with stuff that will never be their area of expertise. Where is the innovation on gas mileage, impact safety beyond making the vehicles larger, getting decent diesels that can meet EPA regulations for passenger vehicles, etc? Instead automakers keep on reusing platforms that are hardly different from their previous generation and tack on software-based 'innovations' like they're a tech company. Usually for the worse like in this instance, replacing the (hardly) tried and true interfaces of CarPlay and Android Auto with their own software. Before this it was switching out climate control knobs for on-screen which don't work with gloves, throttle profiles which will never be used, etc...