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The nuance about "Elon making Hyperloop just to oppose high speed rail" is that he isn't intrinsically opposed to high speed rail itself. He's just opposed to t
by porphyra 3y ago
The nuance about "Elon making Hyperloop just to oppose high speed rail" is that he isn't intrinsically opposed to high speed rail itself. He's just opposed to the fact that California high speed rail is way more expensive and way slower than high speed rail elsewhere.
If we could build high speed rail that's as fast as the ones in China, Japan, and Europe and cost the same amount, then that would truly be amazing and there would be no need for hyperloops.
Anyway, a lot of these "hyperloops are scams" articles just talk about how Elon hates high speed rail and never delve into the technical details of why hyperloops don't work (so far, anyway).
The main idea of hyperloop is to use a compressor in the front of the pod to send air to the back, avoiding the inefficiency of pushing a lot of air in front of it like a syringe. This would allow the tube to contain some air, making it cheaper to maintain than a truly vacuum tube. The idea was explored in the 1990s for the similarly ill-fated SwissMetro project. However, aerodynamic simulations showed that the Hyperloop pod design would need to be redesigned to avoid supersonic flow, and the tube would need to be much bigger. I'm not sure if anyone has actually managed to make an active bypass pod that uses a compressor in front to improve efficiency in a tunnel and would be very curious to learn more.
- jeffbee 3y ago> If we could build high speed rail that's as fast as the ones in China, Japan, and Europe CAHSR design speed is 10% faster than anything in service in Japan or Europe, and the same as the fastest China trains, excluding maglevs.
- porphyra 3y agoProposition 1A says: * San Francisco–San Jose: 30 minutes; this would require about 100 mph (160 km/h) on average * San Jose–Los Angeles: 2 hours, 10 minutes; this would require about 200 mph (320 km/h) on average Which is rather uninspiring compared to traveling by air, and somewhat worse than the Nozomi Shinkansen travelling between Tokyo and Osaka. The slow leg between SF-SJ reminds me of taking the TGV from Paris to Nice. The part between Marseille and Nice took just as long as from Paris to Marseille. With all that said though, I would still take the CA HSR once it is built and I am looking forward to its completion.
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- piva00 3y agoThen why go with Hyperloop and not a innovative rail company to show how high speed rail can be done for cheaper? If he managed space rockets I'd put a good bet that he's a high probability to find good people to work on a private high speed rail company.