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Why does everyone hate Safari? I’ve used it for almost a decade with few complaints and it’s only gotten better.

no_wizard 3y ago
There's alot of developers who think Safari is the new Internet Explorer[0][1][2][3][4][5][6] As for my view, I think thats a bit extreme, though until relatively recently, Safari was slow to update and support many standards that came out in the last 4-5 years, though I think this is largely resolved, Apple does have some security and privacy concerns with APIs like the proposed File System Access API[7] that some feel is overblown and still holding the web back as a platform, specifically around gaining access to native functionality, particularly with iOS. Also until very recently, their PWA support for things like push notifications were non-existant, they have slow rolled any web platform gains being supported on iOS and that could be perceived as protecting their App Store as the web platform becomes more app like. My own opinion is somewhere in the middle, but this is the overall scope of the complaints summarized [0]: https://www.theregister.com/2021/10/22/safari_risks_becoming_the_new_ie/ https://www.theregister.com/2021/10/22/safari_risks_becoming... [1]: https://blog.logrocket.com/when-will-safari-finally-get-it-together/ https://blog.logrocket.com/when-will-safari-finally-get-it-t... [2]: https://nolanlawson.com/2015/06/30/safari-is-the-new-ie/ https://nolanlawson.com/2015/06/30/safari-is-the-new-ie/ [3]: Even here on hacker news, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34377890 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34377890 [4]: Dev advocate for Safari Team addressing the statement headon: https://twitter.com/jensimmons/status/1491064075987873792 https://twitter.com/jensimmons/status/1491064075987873792 [5]: Op-ed by Nolan Lawson on Ars Technica: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/06/op-ed-safari-is-the-new-internet-explorer/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/06/op-ed... [6]: https://www.macrumors.com/2022/02/09/safari-team-asks-for-feedback-amid-accusations/ https://www.macrumors.com/2022/02/09/safari-team-asks-for-fe... [7]: https://caniuse.com/native-filesystem-api https://caniuse.com/native-filesystem-api
- jsbisviewtiful 3y ago
  Thanks for the thorough reply.

There's alot of developers who think Safari is the new Internet Explorer[0][1][2][3][4][5][6] As for my view, I think thats a bit extreme, though until relatively recently, Safari was slow to update and support many standards that came out in the last 4-5 years, though I think this is largely resolved, Apple does have some security and privacy concerns with APIs like the proposed File System Access API[7] that some feel is overblown and still holding the web back as a platform, specifically around gaining access to native functionality, particularly with iOS. Also until very recently, their PWA support for things like push notifications were non-existant, they have slow rolled any web platform gains being supported on iOS and that could be perceived as protecting their App Store as the web platform becomes more app like. My own opinion is somewhere in the middle, but this is the overall scope of the complaints summarized [0]: https://www.theregister.com/2021/10/22/safari_risks_becoming_the_new_ie/ https://www.theregister.com/2021/10/22/safari_risks_becoming... [1]: https://blog.logrocket.com/when-will-safari-finally-get-it-together/ https://blog.logrocket.com/when-will-safari-finally-get-it-t... [2]: https://nolanlawson.com/2015/06/30/safari-is-the-new-ie/ https://nolanlawson.com/2015/06/30/safari-is-the-new-ie/ [3]: Even here on hacker news, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34377890 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34377890 [4]: Dev advocate for Safari Team addressing the statement headon: https://twitter.com/jensimmons/status/1491064075987873792 https://twitter.com/jensimmons/status/1491064075987873792 [5]: Op-ed by Nolan Lawson on Ars Technica: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/06/op-ed-safari-is-the-new-internet-explorer/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/06/op-ed... [6]: https://www.macrumors.com/2022/02/09/safari-team-asks-for-feedback-amid-accusations/ https://www.macrumors.com/2022/02/09/safari-team-asks-for-fe... [7]: https://caniuse.com/native-filesystem-api https://caniuse.com/native-filesystem-api

jsbisviewtiful 3y ago
Thanks for the thorough reply.