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This (thunderf00t) is the same person that said that the Falcon 9 was a scam and a reusable rocket wasn't going to work. The defence of Musk is "Musk has lots

by Closi 3y ago

This (thunderf00t) is the same person that said that the Falcon 9 was a scam and a reusable rocket wasn't going to work. The defence of Musk is "Musk has lots of ideas, and some worked out and some didn't".

junon 3y ago
He had one bad take in your opinion and you discredit his entire existence? Hmm.
x3n0ph3n3 3y ago
I really appreciated thunderf00t for a long time and liked his debunking videos. There came a point where he had such a hard-on for hating Musk that he seemed to lose a lot of objectivity, particularly when it comes to SpaceX.
- delecti 3y ago
  That seems to be a pretty big and weird theme of his. For a long time he was focused on creationists (first VenomFangX, then Ray Comfort), and at the time that didn't seem to be a big deal, because creationism deserves mockery. Then he did a hard pivot and obsessed over Anita Sarkeesian for years, and that started to make it clear that it he was more interested in hosting a 2 Minutes Hate, and didn't care as much about the subject his targets cared about.
  - dmix 3y ago
    Got to do what sells. There’s more than one subreddit dedicated to hating on everything he does up to the minute. I’d imagine there’s a large market for it on YouTube. View counts push creators to certain niches as much as personal beliefs.
  - networkchad 3y ago
    > Anita Sarkeesian To be fair she's very easy to hate. She has no identity but to be a victim.
preisschild 3y ago
The fastest Falcon 9 turnaround time was still 54 days, the same as the fastest Space Shuttle refurbishment. Gwyne Shotwell herself said that it needs to come down to a few hours.
- deleted 3y ago
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- kusakata 3y ago
  The shortest turnaround time was 21 days, and it gets shorter and shorter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Falcon_9_first-stage_boosters https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Falcon_9_first-stage_b...
- modeless 3y ago
  Falcon 9 isn't designed for a few hours turnaround time. That's what Starship is for.
- Fatnino 3y ago
  I don't see why that matters since they already have a fleet of some 20 or so falcon 9s. They launched almost 2 times a week all this year. I think if we had built 10-20 shuttle orbiters turnaround wouldn't have been an issue either. (not really, shuttles were eyewateringly expensive).
pclmulqdq 3y ago
The economics of Falcon 9 do suggest that it currently is a lot worse than space shuttle on cost per unit of mass to orbit, and that the promise of cheaper launches due to reusability has not happened. Sure, the rockets are somewhat reusable (with a lot of reconditioning, it seems), but that definitely hasn't translated to lower costs to orbit.
- epups 3y ago
  "Somewhat reusable"? One Falcon 9 has already flown a record 18 times!
- adgjlsfhk1 3y ago
  What are you talking about? According to NASA (https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20200001093/downloads/20200001093.pdf https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20200001093/downloads/20...) Falcon 9 is 20x cheaper than the space shuttle in terms of $/kg to LEO
- bryanlarsen 3y ago
  Space shuttle cost $54,500 per kg to orbit, Falcon 9 costs $2720 per kg to orbit. https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/20200001093 https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/20200001093
  - modeless 3y ago
    Yeah even if there's an order of magnitude error in those calculations Falcon 9 still comes out on top. Plus, the proof is in the pudding, SpaceX is launching more frequently and putting more mass into orbit than anyone else. They could never afford it if Falcon 9 was more expensive than the Shuttle. It's crazy the mental gymnastics people will do once they've decided to hate someone.
  - pclmulqdq 3y ago
    Ah yes, the one NASA paper that Musk fans love to cite, including all of Space shuttle's R&D costs and a very low estimate of the Falcon 9 cost. Falcon 9 launches currently sell for about $80k per kg to LEO.
Gibbon1 3y ago
None of the stuff that worked was his idea. The difference between Musk's companies and more tradition one is professional managers as Steve Jobs said are bozo's.

by Closi 3y ago

junon 3y ago

He had one bad take in your opinion and you discredit his entire existence? Hmm.

x3n0ph3n3 3y ago

I really appreciated thunderf00t for a long time and liked his debunking videos. There came a point where he had such a hard-on for hating Musk that he seemed to lose a lot of objectivity, particularly when it comes to SpaceX.

delecti 3y ago
That seems to be a pretty big and weird theme of his. For a long time he was focused on creationists (first VenomFangX, then Ray Comfort), and at the time that didn't seem to be a big deal, because creationism deserves mockery. Then he did a hard pivot and obsessed over Anita Sarkeesian for years, and that started to make it clear that it he was more interested in hosting a 2 Minutes Hate, and didn't care as much about the subject his targets cared about.
- dmix 3y ago
  Got to do what sells. There’s more than one subreddit dedicated to hating on everything he does up to the minute. I’d imagine there’s a large market for it on YouTube. View counts push creators to certain niches as much as personal beliefs.
- networkchad 3y ago
  > Anita Sarkeesian To be fair she's very easy to hate. She has no identity but to be a victim.

preisschild 3y ago

The fastest Falcon 9 turnaround time was still 54 days, the same as the fastest Space Shuttle refurbishment. Gwyne Shotwell herself said that it needs to come down to a few hours.

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kusakata 3y ago
The shortest turnaround time was 21 days, and it gets shorter and shorter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Falcon_9_first-stage_boosters https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Falcon_9_first-stage_b...
modeless 3y ago
Falcon 9 isn't designed for a few hours turnaround time. That's what Starship is for.
Fatnino 3y ago
I don't see why that matters since they already have a fleet of some 20 or so falcon 9s. They launched almost 2 times a week all this year. I think if we had built 10-20 shuttle orbiters turnaround wouldn't have been an issue either. (not really, shuttles were eyewateringly expensive).

pclmulqdq 3y ago

The economics of Falcon 9 do suggest that it currently is a lot worse than space shuttle on cost per unit of mass to orbit, and that the promise of cheaper launches due to reusability has not happened. Sure, the rockets are somewhat reusable (with a lot of reconditioning, it seems), but that definitely hasn't translated to lower costs to orbit.

epups 3y ago
"Somewhat reusable"? One Falcon 9 has already flown a record 18 times!
adgjlsfhk1 3y ago
What are you talking about? According to NASA (https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20200001093/downloads/20200001093.pdf https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20200001093/downloads/20...) Falcon 9 is 20x cheaper than the space shuttle in terms of $/kg to LEO
bryanlarsen 3y ago
Space shuttle cost $54,500 per kg to orbit, Falcon 9 costs $2720 per kg to orbit. https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/20200001093 https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/20200001093
- modeless 3y ago
  Yeah even if there's an order of magnitude error in those calculations Falcon 9 still comes out on top. Plus, the proof is in the pudding, SpaceX is launching more frequently and putting more mass into orbit than anyone else. They could never afford it if Falcon 9 was more expensive than the Shuttle. It's crazy the mental gymnastics people will do once they've decided to hate someone.
- pclmulqdq 3y ago
  Ah yes, the one NASA paper that Musk fans love to cite, including all of Space shuttle's R&D costs and a very low estimate of the Falcon 9 cost. Falcon 9 launches currently sell for about $80k per kg to LEO.

Gibbon1 3y ago

None of the stuff that worked was his idea. The difference between Musk's companies and more tradition one is professional managers as Steve Jobs said are bozo's.