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Make no mistake, the moment iran decides they are shutting the straight of hormuz, its shut, and it would take aircraft carriers at the bottom of the ocean to o

Make no mistake, the moment iran decides they are shutting the straight of hormuz, its shut, and it would take aircraft carriers at the bottom of the ocean to open it via force. The US is currently 5-10 years behind in weapons technology, and iran has a lot of those weapons waiting in systems of mountain range bunkers that you would have to get through. War with iran will be as historically significant as the sacking of rome on our own economy and global reputation.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> the moment iran decides they are shutting the straight of hormuz, its shut We are threatening to shut the Strait. We sailed a CVN to Hormuz to telegraph two can tango. > US is currently 5-10 years behind in weapons technology Compared to Iran?! We’re literally liquidating their newest air-defence systems with 90s-era kit in Ukraine. > War with iran will be as historically significant as the sacking of rome on our own economy and global reputation This is stupid. We could topple Tehran with de minimis force reduction from offshore. We might lose some ships, which would be a high cost, but nothing catastrophic. The catastrophe would be the power vacuum that follows. Which is why nobody is threatening total war with Iran.
- Geisterde 3y ago
  You are playing with action figures, pushing troop markers around a board with no regard for the reality as it stands.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > are playing with action figures, pushing troop markers around a board with no regard for the reality as it stands Great, we’ve devolved into generic ad hominem.
    - Geisterde 3y ago
      What do you want me to say, the f22 never worked, the f35 launched late and still has kinks, we have no hypersonic weapons or defense against them. Our competitors have been fielding hypersonic weapons, flying fifth generation fighters. Iran has a very simple military strategy due to their geography, and are dug in like its a national objective, wargames the US has held shows us losing. That fight will open the floodgates to other socioeconomic challenges that the US is not prepared to navigate, like the rise of brics for international trade, regional war where we are being shot at from every direction, the collapse of the currency.
      - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        Sorry buddy, this is delusional and misinformed. If you’re not a troll, I hope you’re well. In any case, disengaging after this. > the f35 launched late and still has kinks Like every new platform, including our adversaries’. They are more than enough to SEAD Iran from BVR, even OTH. I would be shocked if more than a handful were lost in such a strike. > we have no hypersonic weapons or defense against them Usually war is hypothetical. In this case, we have modern Russian cruise missiles being shot down by decades-old Patriot batteries. Hypersonics are largely a farce, but to the extent they’re being pursued, we have more programmes in development than Russia and China combined. And neither has demonstrated missile-defence piercing capability. (Even if they did, there aren’t enough to be a strategic issue.) > wargames the US has held shows us losing Yeah, if we try a ground invasion. Nobody suggested that. Nobody even suggested the decapitation I mooted. You’re multiple straw men deep. American military supremacy is undisputed even by our adversaries. In a 1:1 conflict, we win. Not always, but certainly right now. We’re so overwhelmingly powerful it makes us arrogant, which leads to the very real risk of spreading ourselves thin. We probably can’t support a proxy war in Ukraine, Israel and Yemen while also fighting China around Taiwan. But engaging with any two of those alone? Mindblowingly easily. > the rise of brics Another vein of idiocy. > regional war where we are being shot at from every direction Welcome to the Middle East. > the collapse of the currency Let me guess, to be replaced by Bitcoin or a currency jointly managed by countries currently at war with one another.
  - Fatnino 3y ago
    So are you.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> the moment iran decides they are shutting the straight of hormuz, its shut We are threatening to shut the Strait. We sailed a CVN to Hormuz to telegraph two can tango. > US is currently 5-10 years behind in weapons technology Compared to Iran?! We’re literally liquidating their newest air-defence systems with 90s-era kit in Ukraine. > War with iran will be as historically significant as the sacking of rome on our own economy and global reputation This is stupid. We could topple Tehran with de minimis force reduction from offshore. We might lose some ships, which would be a high cost, but nothing catastrophic. The catastrophe would be the power vacuum that follows. Which is why nobody is threatening total war with Iran.

Geisterde 3y ago
You are playing with action figures, pushing troop markers around a board with no regard for the reality as it stands.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > are playing with action figures, pushing troop markers around a board with no regard for the reality as it stands Great, we’ve devolved into generic ad hominem.
  - Geisterde 3y ago
    What do you want me to say, the f22 never worked, the f35 launched late and still has kinks, we have no hypersonic weapons or defense against them. Our competitors have been fielding hypersonic weapons, flying fifth generation fighters. Iran has a very simple military strategy due to their geography, and are dug in like its a national objective, wargames the US has held shows us losing. That fight will open the floodgates to other socioeconomic challenges that the US is not prepared to navigate, like the rise of brics for international trade, regional war where we are being shot at from every direction, the collapse of the currency.
    - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      Sorry buddy, this is delusional and misinformed. If you’re not a troll, I hope you’re well. In any case, disengaging after this. > the f35 launched late and still has kinks Like every new platform, including our adversaries’. They are more than enough to SEAD Iran from BVR, even OTH. I would be shocked if more than a handful were lost in such a strike. > we have no hypersonic weapons or defense against them Usually war is hypothetical. In this case, we have modern Russian cruise missiles being shot down by decades-old Patriot batteries. Hypersonics are largely a farce, but to the extent they’re being pursued, we have more programmes in development than Russia and China combined. And neither has demonstrated missile-defence piercing capability. (Even if they did, there aren’t enough to be a strategic issue.) > wargames the US has held shows us losing Yeah, if we try a ground invasion. Nobody suggested that. Nobody even suggested the decapitation I mooted. You’re multiple straw men deep. American military supremacy is undisputed even by our adversaries. In a 1:1 conflict, we win. Not always, but certainly right now. We’re so overwhelmingly powerful it makes us arrogant, which leads to the very real risk of spreading ourselves thin. We probably can’t support a proxy war in Ukraine, Israel and Yemen while also fighting China around Taiwan. But engaging with any two of those alone? Mindblowingly easily. > the rise of brics Another vein of idiocy. > regional war where we are being shot at from every direction Welcome to the Middle East. > the collapse of the currency Let me guess, to be replaced by Bitcoin or a currency jointly managed by countries currently at war with one another.
- Fatnino 3y ago
  So are you.