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Anyone else have difficulty parsing that headline and making sense of it?

baobun 3y ago
It's a riff on the "It's never/always DNS" meme. Pointing out the common inconsistency between reality and expectations of when the issue you are facing has is due to DNS. https://www.cyberciti.biz/humour/a-haiku-about-dns/ https://www.cyberciti.biz/humour/a-haiku-about-dns/
- AlecSchueler 3y ago
  So it's a double cancellation of it that bring it back to the original phrase? To show that they didn't take it seriously because it isn't actually true, but then they found it was true in this case, or at least it felt true if all other cases were ignored? Like it was sorta true but not completely since another problem might have had a non DNS issue at its source? I feel like I see what they're saying but I'm still confused at what's getting communicated. Just "sometimes DNS can actually be a source of problems?"
  - kseifried 3y ago
    From many years ago on the #osspodcast Episode 184 – It’s DNS. It’s always DNS https://opensourcesecurity.io/2020/02/24/episode-184-its-dns-its-always-dns/ https://opensourcesecurity.io/2020/02/24/episode-184-its-dns... If you look at a lot of outages and incidents, DNS is a common problem.
    - AlecSchueler 3y ago
      So a better headline might have been "It is, indeed, always DNS?"
      - froggit 3y ago
        Except that would be factually incorrect. The title of the article doesn't convey what i would call useful information, but at least it checks out.
- 8organicbits 3y ago
  The article begins by explaining exactly that.
  - AlecSchueler 3y ago
    I read the article but the title is still difficult for me grammatically.
    - rconti 3y ago
      It's probably really only "funny" if you're familiar with the meme. In that way, it's like many inside jokes. You can't really logic it out. It's like, when someone explains a joke to you, you can now understand why it's funny, but you can't put yourself back in that place where the joke would hit you with the intended impact. Don't worry about it.
froggit 3y ago
You can "math" out the grammar. Treat it as an equality and use the "double negatives cancel" rule to flip the "not" modifying the 2 "is('s)" in that sentence and the title can be rewritten such that: "It’s not always DNS — unless it is. " Becomes : "It’s always DNS — unless it isn't." Ultimately they can both get interpreted as something like "It's DNS except if it isn't DNS." "DNS (NOT equal) (NOT DNS)" even. Not a super surprising statement. So wording that statement either way has the same meaning, however the way the author worded it for the article title matches the chronological order of troubleahooting events (at first seemed to not be DNS, but later it turned out it actually was).

It's a riff on the "It's never/always DNS" meme. Pointing out the common inconsistency between reality and expectations of when the issue you are facing has is due to DNS. https://www.cyberciti.biz/humour/a-haiku-about-dns/ https://www.cyberciti.biz/humour/a-haiku-about-dns/

AlecSchueler 3y ago
So it's a double cancellation of it that bring it back to the original phrase? To show that they didn't take it seriously because it isn't actually true, but then they found it was true in this case, or at least it felt true if all other cases were ignored? Like it was sorta true but not completely since another problem might have had a non DNS issue at its source? I feel like I see what they're saying but I'm still confused at what's getting communicated. Just "sometimes DNS can actually be a source of problems?"
- kseifried 3y ago
  From many years ago on the #osspodcast Episode 184 – It’s DNS. It’s always DNS https://opensourcesecurity.io/2020/02/24/episode-184-its-dns-its-always-dns/ https://opensourcesecurity.io/2020/02/24/episode-184-its-dns... If you look at a lot of outages and incidents, DNS is a common problem.
  - AlecSchueler 3y ago
    So a better headline might have been "It is, indeed, always DNS?"
    - froggit 3y ago
      Except that would be factually incorrect. The title of the article doesn't convey what i would call useful information, but at least it checks out.
8organicbits 3y ago
The article begins by explaining exactly that.
- AlecSchueler 3y ago
  I read the article but the title is still difficult for me grammatically.
  - rconti 3y ago
    It's probably really only "funny" if you're familiar with the meme. In that way, it's like many inside jokes. You can't really logic it out. It's like, when someone explains a joke to you, you can now understand why it's funny, but you can't put yourself back in that place where the joke would hit you with the intended impact. Don't worry about it.

froggit 3y ago

You can "math" out the grammar. Treat it as an equality and use the "double negatives cancel" rule to flip the "not" modifying the 2 "is('s)" in that sentence and the title can be rewritten such that: "It’s not always DNS — unless it is. " Becomes : "It’s always DNS — unless it isn't." Ultimately they can both get interpreted as something like "It's DNS except if it isn't DNS." "DNS (NOT equal) (NOT DNS)" even. Not a super surprising statement. So wording that statement either way has the same meaning, however the way the author worded it for the article title matches the chronological order of troubleahooting events (at first seemed to not be DNS, but later it turned out it actually was).