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Yemen is at war with Israel. They are targetting Israeli ships. It's not piracy. It's act of war.

by shortsunblack 3y ago

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> They are targetting Israeli ships No evidence of this discrimination. That’s a big part of the problem.
- zdragnar 3y ago
  Nonsense; take them at their word. On October 31 they vowed to attack Israeli targets until the military action in Gaza stops. They later said they would target any ship that was headed to an Israeli port. There have been literally dozens of news articles quoting them. The only reason to not consider it an act of war is to avoid recognizing their legitimacy as a governing force.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > later said they would target any ship that was headed to an Israeli port Sure. Then they hit a Norwegian tanker carrying biofuel to Italy [1]. Then another Norwegian ship [2]. [1] https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/cruise-missile-yemen-strikes-tanker-ship-us-officials-2023-12-12/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/cruise-missile-yem... [2] https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/18/politics/uss-carney-red-sea/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/18/politics/uss-carney-red-sea/i...
    - zdragnar 3y ago
      They claim to believe that the STRINDA was going to make a delivery at an Israeli port: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/cruise-missile-yemen-strikes-tanker-ship-us-officials-2023-12-12/#:~:text=The%20Iran%2Daligned%20group%20attacked,Sarea%20said%20in%20a%20statement https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/cruise-missile-yem....
      - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        Okay, now do the Clara and Swan Atlantic. What you’ve got is independent militant groups firing off while a rear PR group tries to project control.
        zdragnar 3y ago
        Both the Clara and Swan were supposedly refusing to answer hails: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/ukmto-ambrey-report-possible-explosion-south-yemens-port-mokha-2023-12-18/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/ukmto-ambrey-repor... Houthi spokesperson Yahya Sarea identified the vessels as the MSC Clara and Norwegian-owned Swan Atlantic, and said the attacks were carried out after their crews failed to respond to calls from the group. There's no mystery here. Nobody anywhere is wondering just what hijinks these groups are going to get up to next. They aren't rednecks getting drunk and shooting off for giggles. If they suspect a ship is headed to Israel, they attack it, with military equipment they (most likely) got from Iran.
        JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        > Both the Clara and Swan were supposedly refusing to answer hails Right, which is a touch broader than “targeting Israeli ships.” (It’s also convenient retcon. Where would I go next…paperwork wasn’t promptly provided? Paperwork appeared forged? We thought they were lying?)
        zdragnar 3y ago
        They said they would attack anyone they thought was headed to an Israeli port. What's the greater leap, them assuming that silence was unacceptable and therefore likely headed to Israel, or that they're taking random, unpredictable pot shots and their actual agenda isn't related to Israel at all?
        JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        > them assuming that silence was unacceptable and therefore likely headed to Israel, or that they're taking random, unpredictable pot shots and their actual agenda isn't related to Israel at all The point is their behaviour isn’t predictable. Which means you can’t make a deal. (To say nothing of there being nobody to negotiate with, nor enforce the terms of a deal ex post facto.) Put another way, nobody has a monopoly on violence on the Yemeni coast. Before we start discussing legalistic concepts like a treaty, someone needs to seize that monopoly.

Yemen is at war with Israel. They are targetting Israeli ships. It's not piracy. It's act of war.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> They are targetting Israeli ships No evidence of this discrimination. That’s a big part of the problem.

zdragnar 3y ago
Nonsense; take them at their word. On October 31 they vowed to attack Israeli targets until the military action in Gaza stops. They later said they would target any ship that was headed to an Israeli port. There have been literally dozens of news articles quoting them. The only reason to not consider it an act of war is to avoid recognizing their legitimacy as a governing force.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > later said they would target any ship that was headed to an Israeli port Sure. Then they hit a Norwegian tanker carrying biofuel to Italy [1]. Then another Norwegian ship [2]. [1] https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/cruise-missile-yemen-strikes-tanker-ship-us-officials-2023-12-12/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/cruise-missile-yem... [2] https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/18/politics/uss-carney-red-sea/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/18/politics/uss-carney-red-sea/i...
  - zdragnar 3y ago
    They claim to believe that the STRINDA was going to make a delivery at an Israeli port: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/cruise-missile-yemen-strikes-tanker-ship-us-officials-2023-12-12/#:~:text=The%20Iran%2Daligned%20group%20attacked,Sarea%20said%20in%20a%20statement https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/cruise-missile-yem....
    - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      Okay, now do the Clara and Swan Atlantic. What you’ve got is independent militant groups firing off while a rear PR group tries to project control.
      - zdragnar 3y ago
        Both the Clara and Swan were supposedly refusing to answer hails: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/ukmto-ambrey-report-possible-explosion-south-yemens-port-mokha-2023-12-18/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/ukmto-ambrey-repor... Houthi spokesperson Yahya Sarea identified the vessels as the MSC Clara and Norwegian-owned Swan Atlantic, and said the attacks were carried out after their crews failed to respond to calls from the group. There's no mystery here. Nobody anywhere is wondering just what hijinks these groups are going to get up to next. They aren't rednecks getting drunk and shooting off for giggles. If they suspect a ship is headed to Israel, they attack it, with military equipment they (most likely) got from Iran.
        JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        > Both the Clara and Swan were supposedly refusing to answer hails Right, which is a touch broader than “targeting Israeli ships.” (It’s also convenient retcon. Where would I go next…paperwork wasn’t promptly provided? Paperwork appeared forged? We thought they were lying?)
        zdragnar 3y ago
        They said they would attack anyone they thought was headed to an Israeli port. What's the greater leap, them assuming that silence was unacceptable and therefore likely headed to Israel, or that they're taking random, unpredictable pot shots and their actual agenda isn't related to Israel at all?
        JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        > them assuming that silence was unacceptable and therefore likely headed to Israel, or that they're taking random, unpredictable pot shots and their actual agenda isn't related to Israel at all The point is their behaviour isn’t predictable. Which means you can’t make a deal. (To say nothing of there being nobody to negotiate with, nor enforce the terms of a deal ex post facto.) Put another way, nobody has a monopoly on violence on the Yemeni coast. Before we start discussing legalistic concepts like a treaty, someone needs to seize that monopoly.