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I used to think like this when younger, and perhaps this reasoning was actually more justified in the past. The older I get (and the more ubiquitous Apple devic

I used to think like this when younger, and perhaps this reasoning was actually more justified in the past. The older I get (and the more ubiquitous Apple devices have become) the more I cringe whenever I see an emotional response from technically minded people about Apple devices. I think I saw someone on HN say that strong opinions are generally a sign of lower intelligence as there is a lack of consideration of both sides of the argument. I realise this comment now reads like copypasta but there is a lot more nuance than "Hurrdurr I don't want to be a mainstream normie Apple bad!".

imglorp 3y ago
My ideological objections are around ownership. I want to install a binary without a dozen security hoops I can't turn off. I don't want my local documents being scanned for whatever Apple caved to some government about this year. I want to own the private keys to the hardware I buy, not a company who can lock me out if they feel like it. I want to buy third party components, without needing them to be crypto locked to my machine or needing to get corporate approval. again if they feel like it and they're having a good quarter. I don't want to be forced to discard perfectly working hardware when Apple decides to stop supporting it. In short, they really, really hate the idea of you owning something they don't control from the atomic level to the cloud.
Loughla 3y ago
>YOU DO NOT EVEN KNOW HOW YOUR PHONE WORKS - I DO NOT HAVE TO PAY A TAX TO APPLE TO LISTEN TO MY MUSIC. (Ignoring the all caps) That's not really apple bad as an argument. It's the fact that you're paying more for music you probably already own, and you have zero idea how that phone actually works. Tinkering with technology, whatever the reason, should be encouraged?
- echelon_musk 3y ago
  You can use music you ripped yourself and transfer it to your iDevice. I don't understand the argument. I don't know every detail of how my motorcycle works, but I use it frequently and rely on it to get from A to B. If I had to understand how everything worked in my life before I could use it I would die. How does my gut convert nutrients in my food?!
  - skydhash 3y ago
    Something like Doppler is very nice. I use it on both my Mac and iPhone to play local files. The rare times I use the latter, the few albums I have on it are enough. I have apple Music, for convenience when I can’t bother to download an album.
- micromacrofoot 3y ago
  I don’t really know how my circulatory system works either but i’ll be ok
- zogrodea 3y ago
  I don’t like Apple for different reasons, but that capitalised quote seems particularly egregious given what is said elsewhere in the article. “Although Android is Free Software, meaning I can modify the code, it would probably take me months to learn enough about music decoding and the Android-media-player-service to write a fix.” Like, mate. You also have no idea how your phone works despite being fully capable of finding out and even having a motive to do so. (That’s what I would say to the author.)
- jrmg 3y ago
  I wonder if they consider using their closed-source CD player as ‘paying a tax to Bush’.

imglorp 3y ago

My ideological objections are around ownership. I want to install a binary without a dozen security hoops I can't turn off. I don't want my local documents being scanned for whatever Apple caved to some government about this year. I want to own the private keys to the hardware I buy, not a company who can lock me out if they feel like it. I want to buy third party components, without needing them to be crypto locked to my machine or needing to get corporate approval. again if they feel like it and they're having a good quarter. I don't want to be forced to discard perfectly working hardware when Apple decides to stop supporting it. In short, they really, really hate the idea of you owning something they don't control from the atomic level to the cloud.

Loughla 3y ago

>YOU DO NOT EVEN KNOW HOW YOUR PHONE WORKS - I DO NOT HAVE TO PAY A TAX TO APPLE TO LISTEN TO MY MUSIC. (Ignoring the all caps) That's not really apple bad as an argument. It's the fact that you're paying more for music you probably already own, and you have zero idea how that phone actually works. Tinkering with technology, whatever the reason, should be encouraged?

echelon_musk 3y ago
You can use music you ripped yourself and transfer it to your iDevice. I don't understand the argument. I don't know every detail of how my motorcycle works, but I use it frequently and rely on it to get from A to B. If I had to understand how everything worked in my life before I could use it I would die. How does my gut convert nutrients in my food?!
- skydhash 3y ago
  Something like Doppler is very nice. I use it on both my Mac and iPhone to play local files. The rare times I use the latter, the few albums I have on it are enough. I have apple Music, for convenience when I can’t bother to download an album.
micromacrofoot 3y ago
I don’t really know how my circulatory system works either but i’ll be ok
zogrodea 3y ago
I don’t like Apple for different reasons, but that capitalised quote seems particularly egregious given what is said elsewhere in the article. “Although Android is Free Software, meaning I can modify the code, it would probably take me months to learn enough about music decoding and the Android-media-player-service to write a fix.” Like, mate. You also have no idea how your phone works despite being fully capable of finding out and even having a motive to do so. (That’s what I would say to the author.)
jrmg 3y ago
I wonder if they consider using their closed-source CD player as ‘paying a tax to Bush’.