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Honors colleges are a massive scam. They give the student more work and far more costs for only a small fraction of the prestige associated with top universitie

Honors colleges are a massive scam. They give the student more work and far more costs for only a small fraction of the prestige associated with top universities. They also usually prevent one from applying AP credits or IB credits to college courses, as their "honors" versions of classes are not considered equivalent to any AP class. More money for mom and dad to pay because their kid got waitlisted and later rejected from Berkeley.

westurner 3y ago
"Is college worth it? A return-on-investment analysis" (2021) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29007377 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29007377 : >>> Why would people make an investment with insufficient ROI (Return on Investment)? >> Insufficient information. >> College Scorecard [1] is a database with a web interface for finding and comparing schools according to a number of objective criteria. CollegeScorecard launched in 2015. It lists "Average Annual Cost", "Graduation Rate", and "Salary After Attending" on the search results pages. When you review a detail page for an institution, there are many additional statistics; things like: "Typical Total Debt After Graduation" and "Typical Monthly Loan Payment" Which curricular assignments have actual career ROI for cash-strapped students?
ejstronge 3y ago
> They also usually prevent one from applying AP credits or IB credits to college courses Maybe this was your experience, but I have not ever heard of this, so ‘usually’ may not be the correct descriptor.
- Der_Einzige 3y ago
  I challenge you to find an example where honors college courses are considered "equivalent" to the honors college core you're required to take. My claim is specifically courses like AP Lit or AP Lang can't be applied for "Honors Western Civ", not that they prevent AP Physics or other stuff not in the honors college from being applied.
jakderrida 3y ago
> Honors colleges are a massive scam. They give the student more work and far more costs for only a small fraction of the prestige associated with top universities. My niece is actually getting paid monthly in her honors program. Everything else is also covered. This, despite being eligible for GI Bill through her dad. As for Berkeley, I didn't imagine they have an honors college. In my mind, it's most associated with state schools and I've definitely seen students go from Honors program at state school to Ivy Leagues for grad school. Perhaps some of them are a scam. Just not the ones that I've seen.

westurner 3y ago

"Is college worth it? A return-on-investment analysis" (2021) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29007377 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29007377 : >>> Why would people make an investment with insufficient ROI (Return on Investment)? >> Insufficient information. >> College Scorecard [1] is a database with a web interface for finding and comparing schools according to a number of objective criteria. CollegeScorecard launched in 2015. It lists "Average Annual Cost", "Graduation Rate", and "Salary After Attending" on the search results pages. When you review a detail page for an institution, there are many additional statistics; things like: "Typical Total Debt After Graduation" and "Typical Monthly Loan Payment" Which curricular assignments have actual career ROI for cash-strapped students?

ejstronge 3y ago

> They also usually prevent one from applying AP credits or IB credits to college courses Maybe this was your experience, but I have not ever heard of this, so ‘usually’ may not be the correct descriptor.

Der_Einzige 3y ago
I challenge you to find an example where honors college courses are considered "equivalent" to the honors college core you're required to take. My claim is specifically courses like AP Lit or AP Lang can't be applied for "Honors Western Civ", not that they prevent AP Physics or other stuff not in the honors college from being applied.

jakderrida 3y ago

> Honors colleges are a massive scam. They give the student more work and far more costs for only a small fraction of the prestige associated with top universities. My niece is actually getting paid monthly in her honors program. Everything else is also covered. This, despite being eligible for GI Bill through her dad. As for Berkeley, I didn't imagine they have an honors college. In my mind, it's most associated with state schools and I've definitely seen students go from Honors program at state school to Ivy Leagues for grad school. Perhaps some of them are a scam. Just not the ones that I've seen.