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This is addressed in the article: > If anyone reads this post I'm sure loads of people will tell me that my problems are all my own making and if only I invest

This is addressed in the article: > If anyone reads this post I'm sure loads of people will tell me that my problems are all my own making and if only I invested in an iPhone all my problems would go away. Well you know what? APPLE IS A SYMBOL OF PRETENTIOUSNESS AND IGNORANCE - YOU DO NOT EVEN KNOW HOW YOUR PHONE WORKS - I DO NOT HAVE TO PAY A TAX TO APPLE TO LISTEN TO MY MUSIC.

daneel_w 3y ago
He doesn't know how his "righteous" Android phone works either. It's the leading premise of his entire article. An iPod Shuffle costs very little and there are open source tools for putting music on them outside of macOS/iOS.
simondotau 3y ago
> YOU DO NOT EVEN KNOW HOW YOUR PHONE WORKS Ah, the wailing cry of an inverse fanboy. Like the fanboy, but with extra dollop of smug and righteousness. I’d estimate that 99% of people don’t know how their phone works, and I’d further wager that there’s no strong correlation between such knowledge and the operating system of their phone.
bayindirh 3y ago
Actually, the OP is right. Because iPods always came with Wolfson DACs, and because of Steve Jobs' sensitiveness on the matter, Apple devices always come with very well built analog audio pipelines. My Macs, iPods and iPhone's audio outputs always rivaled my Hi-Fi amp's (an Akai AM-2850) and desktop sound card's (an ASUS Xonar D2X) without any extra equipment. So, while Apple devices are expensive, they don't skimp on such things. Instead they silently pack an entry level high-end Hi-Fi subsystem inside and be done with it. Or you can get a Sony Hi-Res media/music player.
- echelon_musk 3y ago
  I can confirm that the DAC on the 2021 M1 Macbook Pro is absolutely fantastic. You can also rely on the fantastic quality of the Apple USB-C to 3.5mm adapters [0] as "Neutral, clear, clean and very precise. Basically as audibly transparent, good-sounding and clean-sounding to my ears as a device could be...". [0] https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/apple-usb-c-to-3-5-mm-headphone-jack-adapter.23420/reviews https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/apple-usb-c-to-3-5-mm-headp...
  - bayindirh 3y ago
    Yeah, that little unassuming pigtails sound way above their league. I sometimes use my RHAs with them. What a treat.
echelon_musk 3y ago
I used to think like this when younger, and perhaps this reasoning was actually more justified in the past. The older I get (and the more ubiquitous Apple devices have become) the more I cringe whenever I see an emotional response from technically minded people about Apple devices. I think I saw someone on HN say that strong opinions are generally a sign of lower intelligence as there is a lack of consideration of both sides of the argument. I realise this comment now reads like copypasta but there is a lot more nuance than "Hurrdurr I don't want to be a mainstream normie Apple bad!".
- imglorp 3y ago
  My ideological objections are around ownership. I want to install a binary without a dozen security hoops I can't turn off. I don't want my local documents being scanned for whatever Apple caved to some government about this year. I want to own the private keys to the hardware I buy, not a company who can lock me out if they feel like it. I want to buy third party components, without needing them to be crypto locked to my machine or needing to get corporate approval. again if they feel like it and they're having a good quarter. I don't want to be forced to discard perfectly working hardware when Apple decides to stop supporting it. In short, they really, really hate the idea of you owning something they don't control from the atomic level to the cloud.
- Loughla 3y ago
  >YOU DO NOT EVEN KNOW HOW YOUR PHONE WORKS - I DO NOT HAVE TO PAY A TAX TO APPLE TO LISTEN TO MY MUSIC. (Ignoring the all caps) That's not really apple bad as an argument. It's the fact that you're paying more for music you probably already own, and you have zero idea how that phone actually works. Tinkering with technology, whatever the reason, should be encouraged?
  - echelon_musk 3y ago
    You can use music you ripped yourself and transfer it to your iDevice. I don't understand the argument. I don't know every detail of how my motorcycle works, but I use it frequently and rely on it to get from A to B. If I had to understand how everything worked in my life before I could use it I would die. How does my gut convert nutrients in my food?!

daneel_w 3y ago

He doesn't know how his "righteous" Android phone works either. It's the leading premise of his entire article. An iPod Shuffle costs very little and there are open source tools for putting music on them outside of macOS/iOS.

simondotau 3y ago

> YOU DO NOT EVEN KNOW HOW YOUR PHONE WORKS Ah, the wailing cry of an inverse fanboy. Like the fanboy, but with extra dollop of smug and righteousness. I’d estimate that 99% of people don’t know how their phone works, and I’d further wager that there’s no strong correlation between such knowledge and the operating system of their phone.

bayindirh 3y ago

Actually, the OP is right. Because iPods always came with Wolfson DACs, and because of Steve Jobs' sensitiveness on the matter, Apple devices always come with very well built analog audio pipelines. My Macs, iPods and iPhone's audio outputs always rivaled my Hi-Fi amp's (an Akai AM-2850) and desktop sound card's (an ASUS Xonar D2X) without any extra equipment. So, while Apple devices are expensive, they don't skimp on such things. Instead they silently pack an entry level high-end Hi-Fi subsystem inside and be done with it. Or you can get a Sony Hi-Res media/music player.

echelon_musk 3y ago
I can confirm that the DAC on the 2021 M1 Macbook Pro is absolutely fantastic. You can also rely on the fantastic quality of the Apple USB-C to 3.5mm adapters [0] as "Neutral, clear, clean and very precise. Basically as audibly transparent, good-sounding and clean-sounding to my ears as a device could be...". [0] https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/apple-usb-c-to-3-5-mm-headphone-jack-adapter.23420/reviews https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/apple-usb-c-to-3-5-mm-headp...
- bayindirh 3y ago
  Yeah, that little unassuming pigtails sound way above their league. I sometimes use my RHAs with them. What a treat.

echelon_musk 3y ago

I used to think like this when younger, and perhaps this reasoning was actually more justified in the past. The older I get (and the more ubiquitous Apple devices have become) the more I cringe whenever I see an emotional response from technically minded people about Apple devices. I think I saw someone on HN say that strong opinions are generally a sign of lower intelligence as there is a lack of consideration of both sides of the argument. I realise this comment now reads like copypasta but there is a lot more nuance than "Hurrdurr I don't want to be a mainstream normie Apple bad!".

imglorp 3y ago
My ideological objections are around ownership. I want to install a binary without a dozen security hoops I can't turn off. I don't want my local documents being scanned for whatever Apple caved to some government about this year. I want to own the private keys to the hardware I buy, not a company who can lock me out if they feel like it. I want to buy third party components, without needing them to be crypto locked to my machine or needing to get corporate approval. again if they feel like it and they're having a good quarter. I don't want to be forced to discard perfectly working hardware when Apple decides to stop supporting it. In short, they really, really hate the idea of you owning something they don't control from the atomic level to the cloud.
Loughla 3y ago
>YOU DO NOT EVEN KNOW HOW YOUR PHONE WORKS - I DO NOT HAVE TO PAY A TAX TO APPLE TO LISTEN TO MY MUSIC. (Ignoring the all caps) That's not really apple bad as an argument. It's the fact that you're paying more for music you probably already own, and you have zero idea how that phone actually works. Tinkering with technology, whatever the reason, should be encouraged?
- echelon_musk 3y ago
  You can use music you ripped yourself and transfer it to your iDevice. I don't understand the argument. I don't know every detail of how my motorcycle works, but I use it frequently and rely on it to get from A to B. If I had to understand how everything worked in my life before I could use it I would die. How does my gut convert nutrients in my food?!