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A Times Investigation Tracked Israel's Use of 1 of Its Most Destructive Weapon

Whoppertime 3y ago
Will Israel declare their Most destructive Nuclear weapons any time soon?
NotSammyHagar 3y ago
Watch the first few minutes of this video about the bombing in Gaza. Just as I was horrified by what Hamas did, I'm perhaps more horrified that my country the US is providing weapons that are leading to civilian bombing that destroys apartment buildings with people inside them. It has to stop. Just watch a couple of minutes of the video to get the gist. Yes, Hamas is horrible and deserves destruction. And Yes, the civilians of Gaza deserve not to be killed step by step. Do we bomb a building to try kill one person? I don't know the solution but this isn't it. I sent letters to my US rep and Senators.
- compsciphd 3y ago
  Pressure egypt to let people flee? Have the US take in the 2 million people? These are 2 of the many ways to enable non combatants to get out of the area. If one's solutions are built around preventing them from fleeing a war zone, one doesn't really care about them.
  - runarberg 3y ago
    Israels officials have not been shy about their plans for tent cities on the Sinai peninsula while they conduct their military operations, however they have yet to promise the right to return ones their military objectives are over. They have also been very unrealistic about their military objectives so in theory it could go on for years. Also given the history of the Nakba where Palestinians were ethnically cleansed from big parts of historic Palestine, there is no wonder why 2 million Palestinians are reluctant to leave their homes again. In other words, removing Gazans from the strip is not a solution.
    - weatherlite 3y ago
      > there is no wonder why 2 million Palestinians are reluctant to leave their homes again How do you know they're reluctant ? If Germany called them in like they did the Syrians are you sure none would come? Seems like the vast majority of Syrians in Europe have no intention of going back so its not like Arabs/Muslims are immune to the concept of leaving. I won't argue that no one will admit to want to leave (Hamas may shoot people even for leaving bombed areas, let alone totally leave the strip), but deep down I won't be surprised if many want to leave. I also won't be surprised if given a safe passage and a visa for them and their families - many would actually leave. Right now Hamas/Egypt won't allow it and probably Europeans aren't too keen on this as well. > leave their homes again Btw their narrative is that they're still refugees, so I'm not sure how they can see Gaza as their "home" but also want to "go back" to their old homes in what is now Israel.
      - johnnyworker 3y ago
        This part isn't optional: > given the history of the Nakba where Palestinians were ethnically cleansed from big parts of historic Palestine Being occupied, mistreated, droven away so that one "wants" to leave is all the same as being outright murdered: ethnic cleansing and genocide. You're essentially asking "but are you sure they know it's genocide, too? Are you sure they mind", and the answer is "it doesn't matter".
        weatherlite 3y ago
        I'm not sure what you're talking about, this is not what I asked. The Nakba doesn't explain much, it was 75 years ago and it seems ludicrous to me people would definitely stay somewhere because of stuff that happened 75 years ago. Maybe some of them prefer Canada or Germany or Dubai, that doesn't sound crazy to me. And for sure some of them would prefer to stay, no matter what even. But we don't know that's the majority - the truth is they are prevented from leaving - first and foremost by Hamas. I thought the West was pro taking in people who live in war zones, and I would hope a similar option would be available to Israelis if it came to that - which it very well may sooner or later. There's nothing guaranteeing Israel can survive, and if Israel ever loses what happened to Israelis on October 7th will look like peanuts.
  - jjgreen 3y ago
    Oh, all of those starving Arabs seem to have gone, not sure why, I guess we'll have to take this strip of rubble and corpses, just to clean it up you understand. Oh look, there's some oil [1], would be a shame to leave it in the ground ... [1] https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2021/6/21/palestines-forgotten-oil-and-gas-resources https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2021/6/21/palestines-forg...
- johnnyworker 3y ago
  > Do we bomb a building to try kill one person? That's not even remotely close to what is going on. This is genocide, plain and simple. https://twitter.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1731772261848264771 https://twitter.com/muhammadshehad2/status/17317722618482647... > Israel blows up Gaza's "Palace of Justice" compound which housed the Palestinian Supreme Court, the Court of Appeal, the Court of First Instance & the Magistrate. > 100,000s of vital case documents are gone. https://twitter.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1733066118330265727 https://twitter.com/muhammadshehad2/status/17330661183302657... > Israel blows up the Medical Faculty of the IUG to the south of Gaza city. > This was NOT an airstrike, but explosives that soldiers planted in person there; meaning the buildings constituted ZERO security risk!

Will Israel declare their Most destructive Nuclear weapons any time soon?

Watch the first few minutes of this video about the bombing in Gaza. Just as I was horrified by what Hamas did, I'm perhaps more horrified that my country the US is providing weapons that are leading to civilian bombing that destroys apartment buildings with people inside them. It has to stop. Just watch a couple of minutes of the video to get the gist. Yes, Hamas is horrible and deserves destruction. And Yes, the civilians of Gaza deserve not to be killed step by step. Do we bomb a building to try kill one person? I don't know the solution but this isn't it. I sent letters to my US rep and Senators.

compsciphd 3y ago
Pressure egypt to let people flee? Have the US take in the 2 million people? These are 2 of the many ways to enable non combatants to get out of the area. If one's solutions are built around preventing them from fleeing a war zone, one doesn't really care about them.
- runarberg 3y ago
  Israels officials have not been shy about their plans for tent cities on the Sinai peninsula while they conduct their military operations, however they have yet to promise the right to return ones their military objectives are over. They have also been very unrealistic about their military objectives so in theory it could go on for years. Also given the history of the Nakba where Palestinians were ethnically cleansed from big parts of historic Palestine, there is no wonder why 2 million Palestinians are reluctant to leave their homes again. In other words, removing Gazans from the strip is not a solution.
  - weatherlite 3y ago
    > there is no wonder why 2 million Palestinians are reluctant to leave their homes again How do you know they're reluctant ? If Germany called them in like they did the Syrians are you sure none would come? Seems like the vast majority of Syrians in Europe have no intention of going back so its not like Arabs/Muslims are immune to the concept of leaving. I won't argue that no one will admit to want to leave (Hamas may shoot people even for leaving bombed areas, let alone totally leave the strip), but deep down I won't be surprised if many want to leave. I also won't be surprised if given a safe passage and a visa for them and their families - many would actually leave. Right now Hamas/Egypt won't allow it and probably Europeans aren't too keen on this as well. > leave their homes again Btw their narrative is that they're still refugees, so I'm not sure how they can see Gaza as their "home" but also want to "go back" to their old homes in what is now Israel.
    - johnnyworker 3y ago
      This part isn't optional: > given the history of the Nakba where Palestinians were ethnically cleansed from big parts of historic Palestine Being occupied, mistreated, droven away so that one "wants" to leave is all the same as being outright murdered: ethnic cleansing and genocide. You're essentially asking "but are you sure they know it's genocide, too? Are you sure they mind", and the answer is "it doesn't matter".
      - weatherlite 3y ago
        I'm not sure what you're talking about, this is not what I asked. The Nakba doesn't explain much, it was 75 years ago and it seems ludicrous to me people would definitely stay somewhere because of stuff that happened 75 years ago. Maybe some of them prefer Canada or Germany or Dubai, that doesn't sound crazy to me. And for sure some of them would prefer to stay, no matter what even. But we don't know that's the majority - the truth is they are prevented from leaving - first and foremost by Hamas. I thought the West was pro taking in people who live in war zones, and I would hope a similar option would be available to Israelis if it came to that - which it very well may sooner or later. There's nothing guaranteeing Israel can survive, and if Israel ever loses what happened to Israelis on October 7th will look like peanuts.
- jjgreen 3y ago
  Oh, all of those starving Arabs seem to have gone, not sure why, I guess we'll have to take this strip of rubble and corpses, just to clean it up you understand. Oh look, there's some oil [1], would be a shame to leave it in the ground ... [1] https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2021/6/21/palestines-forgotten-oil-and-gas-resources https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2021/6/21/palestines-forg...
johnnyworker 3y ago
> Do we bomb a building to try kill one person? That's not even remotely close to what is going on. This is genocide, plain and simple. https://twitter.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1731772261848264771 https://twitter.com/muhammadshehad2/status/17317722618482647... > Israel blows up Gaza's "Palace of Justice" compound which housed the Palestinian Supreme Court, the Court of Appeal, the Court of First Instance & the Magistrate. > 100,000s of vital case documents are gone. https://twitter.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1733066118330265727 https://twitter.com/muhammadshehad2/status/17330661183302657... > Israel blows up the Medical Faculty of the IUG to the south of Gaza city. > This was NOT an airstrike, but explosives that soldiers planted in person there; meaning the buildings constituted ZERO security risk!