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> we have generations of people trained to think that … transit systems are full of criminals Are they not? The BART Police Department's reports for 2022 show

> we have generations of people trained to think that … transit systems are full of criminals Are they not? The BART Police Department's reports for 2022 show the following numbers for Part 1 UCR Crimes: Homicide: 3 Rape: 4 Robbery: 156 Aggravated Assault: 81 Burglary (Structural): 17 Larceny & Auto Burglary: 783 Auto Theft: 136 Arson: 10 Property Crime Subtotal: 946 Total: 1,190

withinboredom 3y ago
Just because one transit system isn't policed, doesn't mean all of them are. Transit, by itself, is not "full of criminals" and I'm not sure the one you gave stats for is either (or even correct -- how do you commit "auto theft" on a train lol)? Anyway, assuming there are hundreds of train cars and thousands of passengers a day, the chance of getting robbed on any one of them, using your stats, is less than 0.001%. Seems pretty safe to me.
EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 3y ago
so 90% are car crimes, not public transit crimes
acdha 3y ago
Sure, now do the roads outside of the BART system. There have been thousands of car thefts, carjackings, robberies, etc. Crime isn’t a transit phenomenon.
lancesells 3y ago
Roads are filled with criminals too. 37 people died from drunk driving EVERY DAY in the US in 2021. That's 13,384 dead from criminal acts.
mrkeen 3y ago
>Auto Burglary: 783 Auto Theft: 136 This is why I'm too scared to take my car with me when I ride the subway.
- dougmwne 3y ago
  They literally do take their car with them when they ride. Lots of BART stations have huge parking decks because they service areas that are not walkable or dense so you “Park & Ride” to get into the city.
  - withinboredom 3y ago
    That has very little to do with public transit and everything to do with a lack of public transit.
vlovich123 3y ago
Per how many people transported and how does that compare with similarly dense and similarly geographically large systems? Paris’ RATP and NY’s MTA likely put up similar numbers. That doesn’t mean that it’s full of criminals when the likelihood that you personally will experience an issue is low.

withinboredom 3y ago

Just because one transit system isn't policed, doesn't mean all of them are. Transit, by itself, is not "full of criminals" and I'm not sure the one you gave stats for is either (or even correct -- how do you commit "auto theft" on a train lol)? Anyway, assuming there are hundreds of train cars and thousands of passengers a day, the chance of getting robbed on any one of them, using your stats, is less than 0.001%. Seems pretty safe to me.

EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 3y ago

so 90% are car crimes, not public transit crimes

acdha 3y ago

Sure, now do the roads outside of the BART system. There have been thousands of car thefts, carjackings, robberies, etc. Crime isn’t a transit phenomenon.

lancesells 3y ago

Roads are filled with criminals too. 37 people died from drunk driving EVERY DAY in the US in 2021. That's 13,384 dead from criminal acts.

mrkeen 3y ago

>Auto Burglary: 783 Auto Theft: 136 This is why I'm too scared to take my car with me when I ride the subway.

dougmwne 3y ago
They literally do take their car with them when they ride. Lots of BART stations have huge parking decks because they service areas that are not walkable or dense so you “Park & Ride” to get into the city.
- withinboredom 3y ago
  That has very little to do with public transit and everything to do with a lack of public transit.

vlovich123 3y ago

Per how many people transported and how does that compare with similarly dense and similarly geographically large systems? Paris’ RATP and NY’s MTA likely put up similar numbers. That doesn’t mean that it’s full of criminals when the likelihood that you personally will experience an issue is low.