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The goal is breaking down the walled garden and moving towards open standards. Companies generally are against this, but if a company picked up beeper code to

The goal is breaking down the walled garden and moving towards open standards. Companies generally are against this, but if a company picked up beeper code to profit off of "imessage support on android"... The yardstick would be closer to open standards.

bzzzt 3y ago
iMessage is not an open standard, even if third parties have access. And in most parts of the world (outside of the US) iMessage is not really a relevant player. If you're against walled gardens you also have to be against all the obstacles Google and Samsung have planted. Why shouldn't Apple users make free use of Google maps without paying Google (in privacy)? Why can't every person access the advertising data collected by these companies? If the answer is "companies invest a lot of money to make these products possible" why is iMessage different?
- AnthonyMouse 3y ago
  > If you're against walled gardens you also have to be against all the obstacles Google and Samsung have planted. Okay, let's be against those too.
  - bzzzt 3y ago
    If you're serious about opening up literally everything and probably destroying all the leverage for possible business models how do you expect companies to keep providing the services you enjoy at the moment?
    - AnthonyMouse 3y ago
      Gmail seems to do fine with an interoperable network.
    - voakbasda 3y ago
      How about through business models that do not smell like rent-seeking extortion?
      - bzzzt 3y ago
        Which business model would that be then? The Apple model where you buy expensive hardware and get exclusive software in the package? The Microsoft model where you buy software and are still treated like a freeloading advertisement consumer? Or the Google/Facebook model where you're not paying anything and the companies try to digest your entire life for the support of marketing departments?
        AnthonyMouse 3y ago
        You're describing the ones that smell like rent-seeking extortion. How about the Signal model, where you get a free messaging app with published source code that runs on multiple platforms without trying to lock you into any of them, and its modest operating expenses are paid from donations to a nonprofit? Or the Linux model, where a minority of users with the resources or technical capacity to make improvements are given the opportunity to do so, resulting in free software that anyone else can use too, and anyone could fork if the existing maintainers became abusive? Or the Substack model, where you pay money for a service with no ads on it? Huge dominant conglomerates being abusive is not unexpected. But why do we need huge dominant conglomerates? Let them cease to be.
        int_19h 3y ago
        There's nothing preventing Apple from requiring some kind of subscription for people to use its iMessage servers even if they were to open the protocol. All we're asking is for them to treat their service similar to premium email (which is also not free, but it's not all locked up either).
      - redserk 3y ago
        How is this relevant? Apple doesn’t charge for iMessage. It is a service offered strictly to users of Apple devices.

bzzzt 3y ago

iMessage is not an open standard, even if third parties have access. And in most parts of the world (outside of the US) iMessage is not really a relevant player. If you're against walled gardens you also have to be against all the obstacles Google and Samsung have planted. Why shouldn't Apple users make free use of Google maps without paying Google (in privacy)? Why can't every person access the advertising data collected by these companies? If the answer is "companies invest a lot of money to make these products possible" why is iMessage different?

AnthonyMouse 3y ago
> If you're against walled gardens you also have to be against all the obstacles Google and Samsung have planted. Okay, let's be against those too.
- bzzzt 3y ago
  If you're serious about opening up literally everything and probably destroying all the leverage for possible business models how do you expect companies to keep providing the services you enjoy at the moment?
  - AnthonyMouse 3y ago
    Gmail seems to do fine with an interoperable network.
  - voakbasda 3y ago
    How about through business models that do not smell like rent-seeking extortion?
    - bzzzt 3y ago
      Which business model would that be then? The Apple model where you buy expensive hardware and get exclusive software in the package? The Microsoft model where you buy software and are still treated like a freeloading advertisement consumer? Or the Google/Facebook model where you're not paying anything and the companies try to digest your entire life for the support of marketing departments?
      - AnthonyMouse 3y ago
        You're describing the ones that smell like rent-seeking extortion. How about the Signal model, where you get a free messaging app with published source code that runs on multiple platforms without trying to lock you into any of them, and its modest operating expenses are paid from donations to a nonprofit? Or the Linux model, where a minority of users with the resources or technical capacity to make improvements are given the opportunity to do so, resulting in free software that anyone else can use too, and anyone could fork if the existing maintainers became abusive? Or the Substack model, where you pay money for a service with no ads on it? Huge dominant conglomerates being abusive is not unexpected. But why do we need huge dominant conglomerates? Let them cease to be.
      - int_19h 3y ago
        There's nothing preventing Apple from requiring some kind of subscription for people to use its iMessage servers even if they were to open the protocol. All we're asking is for them to treat their service similar to premium email (which is also not free, but it's not all locked up either).
    - redserk 3y ago
      How is this relevant? Apple doesn’t charge for iMessage. It is a service offered strictly to users of Apple devices.