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I support merit based DEI. What worries me is that for "diversity" candidates, the hiring bar is usually set low (at least in my company). And nobody is brave e

by jnaina 3y ago

I support merit based DEI. What worries me is that for "diversity" candidates, the hiring bar is usually set low (at least in my company). And nobody is brave enough to talk about the consequences of these decisions. Have lost lucrative projects due to poor delivery, team mates having to do additional work to cover for the lapses, overall team performance pulled down leading to variable compensation impact, etc. One other observation. Some of these "diversity" candidates seem to have found a way to leverage this DEI 'movement' to advance their careers (at the risk of generalizing, but I'm only talking about extreme cases here). They put in a maybe 2 years of mediocre work, while spending an inordinate time on LinkedIn on relentless self-promotion to build up their profile for their next DEI entry point into another tech company on the DEI virtue signalling bandwagon.

crop_rotation 3y ago
The thing is the hiring bar is never explicitly lowered, but during any such DEI initiative hiring the HR leaders championing the program would informally send wink, wink messages while explicitly saying at public meetings that bar can not and will not be lowered.
unwise-exe 3y ago
> merit based DEI what even does this mean
- xvector 3y ago
  It means you prioritize hiring diverse candidates over regular candidates, but without lowering your hiring bar.
  - Manuel_D 3y ago
    > It means you prioritize hiring diverse candidates over regular candidates, but without lowering your hiring bar. This is still illegal. You cannot, outside of bona fide occupational qualification [1], prioritize the hiring any any protected class (race, gender, religion, etc.) over another. Also, care to explain the criteria for "diverse"? Answer that question and swap out "diverse" in the sentence above with your answer. Then read it aloud, and ask yourself if that's something that's legal. There's a reason why companies hide behind euphemisms like "diverse". 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bona_fide_occupational_qualification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bona_fide_occupational_qualifi...
  - unwise-exe 3y ago
    If you have enough passing candidates that you can do additional filtering on irrelevant reasons, that means your hiring bar is lower than it could be. Also, since when is being "diverse" a property of an individual rather than a group?
  - nvm0n2 3y ago
    That never happens. Once you accept the belief that you need fewer "white" men, discrimination and bar lowering always follows. Recruiters are given monetary incentives to discriminate and they find many ways to do it what claiming that they aren't. I've seen it first hand.

by jnaina 3y ago

crop_rotation 3y ago

The thing is the hiring bar is never explicitly lowered, but during any such DEI initiative hiring the HR leaders championing the program would informally send wink, wink messages while explicitly saying at public meetings that bar can not and will not be lowered.

unwise-exe 3y ago

> merit based DEI what even does this mean

xvector 3y ago
It means you prioritize hiring diverse candidates over regular candidates, but without lowering your hiring bar.
- Manuel_D 3y ago
  > It means you prioritize hiring diverse candidates over regular candidates, but without lowering your hiring bar. This is still illegal. You cannot, outside of bona fide occupational qualification [1], prioritize the hiring any any protected class (race, gender, religion, etc.) over another. Also, care to explain the criteria for "diverse"? Answer that question and swap out "diverse" in the sentence above with your answer. Then read it aloud, and ask yourself if that's something that's legal. There's a reason why companies hide behind euphemisms like "diverse". 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bona_fide_occupational_qualification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bona_fide_occupational_qualifi...
- unwise-exe 3y ago
  If you have enough passing candidates that you can do additional filtering on irrelevant reasons, that means your hiring bar is lower than it could be. Also, since when is being "diverse" a property of an individual rather than a group?
- nvm0n2 3y ago
  That never happens. Once you accept the belief that you need fewer "white" men, discrimination and bar lowering always follows. Recruiters are given monetary incentives to discriminate and they find many ways to do it what claiming that they aren't. I've seen it first hand.