> by the time you show up... the entrenched incompetence will constrain the options within current project inertia and budgets. this is so true, but sometimes

> by the time you show up... the entrenched incompetence will constrain the options within current project inertia and budgets. this is so true, but sometimes the incompetence is so bad it's not feasible to build a competent team (very very difficult at least). I'm actually in the middle of this now and I have to tell you, I've been doing this for 25+ years and I'm absolutely flabbergasted that people with this level of incompetence are gainfully employed in this industry. It's so bad we have contractor teams running circles around them and by circles I mean 2-3x their velocity with code designs that are as good or better.