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He’s a 16 years old doing a very productive activity, I’d expect the parents to happily pay for it, I’d argue that if someone’s son is interested in learn ing a

He’s a 16 years old doing a very productive activity, I’d expect the parents to happily pay for it, I’d argue that if someone’s son is interested in learn ing and the energy bill is obstacle to wait before to make kids, parents should feel an obligation to fuel their kids passions

sodality2 3y ago
As a former 16-year old, very grateful for my parents for doing exactly this to support my passions :)
jorvi 3y ago
At €60 a month, that is €720 a year. OP indicated elsewhere here that they’re trying to cover some of the costs with side projects, but €720 anually is a big bill to foot for less affluent parents.
- geysersam 3y ago
  Money well invested considering the guy seems to know more than some IT professionals already.
- KMnO4 3y ago
  I don’t want to get into whether the ability to afford these things for your children makes you more/less of a good parent… But if you can afford it, you absolutely should support their passions. The only reason I’m a high salaried software engineer is because my parents generously bought me a computer, allowed me to attend classes (programming in BASIC), etc.
- burnished 3y ago
  Eh, power bill is the best one for an increase to appear on, way more wiggle room before anything important is shut off. Plus if we're talking about being poor it has two important benefits 1) excellent hours occupied to dollar spent ratio 2) engrossing hobbies typically mean they aren't out there rattling around stirring up trouble (which can get expensive in a hurry)
xur17 3y ago
As a former 16 year old, I distinctively remember having to negotiate to be allowed to run a computer 24/7 as a server. Part of my argument was calculating the cost to run the server ($10 / month for a 100 watt server at 0.10 / kwh running 24/7, a rough figure I use when referencing electricity costs to this day).
- qup 3y ago
  I had to submit an essay to my father, at 16, about why I should be allowed to use a computer more than an hour per day. The essay won, but my father began talking about me while I was at the computer, saying I was a zombie who wasn't part of the family anymore. I was learning to code. I built a bunch of websites, and some projects and schemes that earned me fairly serious money in high school. I learned VB6, html, a little perl, and php, on my own, with no mentor, and an active booing. I'm not sure my dad has ever seen or visited a website I've built (dozens, maybe over 100). I even have bespoke code deployed right now, serving him, that he does not know exists. I still don't know why he tried to stand in my way all the time. I often think about where I'd be if I had an active supporter, like many kids have.
  - CTDOCodebases 3y ago
    > I still don't know why he tried to stand in my way all the time. I often think about where I'd be if I had an active supporter, like many kids have. He was probably concerned about your familiar relationships. All relationships have an element of reciprocity. Plus he probably just missed you. In your situation it sounds like he could have benefited by being a bit more curious and accepting. IMHO as a parent rejecting the authencity of a child cancels out all the loving things you do because then you are not loving the child. You are loving an imaginary version of the child that only exists in your own head.
    - bossyTeacher 3y ago
      > IMHO as a parent rejecting the authencity of a child cancels out all the loving things you do because then you are not loving the child. You are loving an imaginary version of the child that only exists in your own head. sooo many parents are guilty of this. Living through your child is unhealthy

sodality2 3y ago

As a former 16-year old, very grateful for my parents for doing exactly this to support my passions :)

jorvi 3y ago

At €60 a month, that is €720 a year. OP indicated elsewhere here that they’re trying to cover some of the costs with side projects, but €720 anually is a big bill to foot for less affluent parents.

geysersam 3y ago
Money well invested considering the guy seems to know more than some IT professionals already.
KMnO4 3y ago
I don’t want to get into whether the ability to afford these things for your children makes you more/less of a good parent… But if you can afford it, you absolutely should support their passions. The only reason I’m a high salaried software engineer is because my parents generously bought me a computer, allowed me to attend classes (programming in BASIC), etc.
burnished 3y ago
Eh, power bill is the best one for an increase to appear on, way more wiggle room before anything important is shut off. Plus if we're talking about being poor it has two important benefits 1) excellent hours occupied to dollar spent ratio 2) engrossing hobbies typically mean they aren't out there rattling around stirring up trouble (which can get expensive in a hurry)

xur17 3y ago

As a former 16 year old, I distinctively remember having to negotiate to be allowed to run a computer 24/7 as a server. Part of my argument was calculating the cost to run the server ($10 / month for a 100 watt server at 0.10 / kwh running 24/7, a rough figure I use when referencing electricity costs to this day).

qup 3y ago
I had to submit an essay to my father, at 16, about why I should be allowed to use a computer more than an hour per day. The essay won, but my father began talking about me while I was at the computer, saying I was a zombie who wasn't part of the family anymore. I was learning to code. I built a bunch of websites, and some projects and schemes that earned me fairly serious money in high school. I learned VB6, html, a little perl, and php, on my own, with no mentor, and an active booing. I'm not sure my dad has ever seen or visited a website I've built (dozens, maybe over 100). I even have bespoke code deployed right now, serving him, that he does not know exists. I still don't know why he tried to stand in my way all the time. I often think about where I'd be if I had an active supporter, like many kids have.
- CTDOCodebases 3y ago
  > I still don't know why he tried to stand in my way all the time. I often think about where I'd be if I had an active supporter, like many kids have. He was probably concerned about your familiar relationships. All relationships have an element of reciprocity. Plus he probably just missed you. In your situation it sounds like he could have benefited by being a bit more curious and accepting. IMHO as a parent rejecting the authencity of a child cancels out all the loving things you do because then you are not loving the child. You are loving an imaginary version of the child that only exists in your own head.
  - bossyTeacher 3y ago
    > IMHO as a parent rejecting the authencity of a child cancels out all the loving things you do because then you are not loving the child. You are loving an imaginary version of the child that only exists in your own head. sooo many parents are guilty of this. Living through your child is unhealthy