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I see some value in this type of thing. If someone can't bluff their way past a (non)technical recruiter, will they be able to handle a requirements meeting or
by flomo 15y ago
I see some value in this type of thing. If someone can't bluff their way past a (non)technical recruiter, will they be able to handle a requirements meeting or communicate status to a PM? Some engineers really can only talk to other engineers.
What's the worst thing that could happen if you fibbed "Oh yeah 9i, I've used that too."? You'd get an interview with the database guy who actually knows the difference.
- DanBC 15y ago> What's the worst thing that could happen if you fibbed Well, the worst thing would be if it was a trap question designed to weed out the people who lie at initial recruitment selection.
- aangjie 15y ago>What's the worst thing that could happen if you fibbed "Oh yeah 9i, I've used that too."? Well, the managerial term is to manage expectation. But it's just effort that seems unnecessary* *-- perhaps it's just my current situation..
- georgemcbay 15y agoIME, a lot of the best programmers are anal (often to a fault), and won't lie in that situation. Not because of ethics or morals but just because they refuse to say something they know is technically incorrect.
- mattmanser 15y agoLife just doesn't work that way. IME the people who fib a bit and embellish when applying for jobs because they know they can, they do a lot better than those who tell the truth all the time. Reality is most employers put up fake 'requirements' because they don't know how else to find 'smart, can learn, gets stuff done'.
- MaxGabriel 15y agoAre you advocating lying in job interviews?
- RollAHardSix 15y agoI think he's advocating 'advancing your skill-set'. Oh And: Self-Marketing, it isn't always evil. But I'm being honest, sometimes you have to make yourself sound good to get the goods.
- cookiecaper 15y agoI think this is a valid to an extent, like accepting a title of "expert" in a technology used by the company that you know well but are not actually a real "expert" in. You and I know that the real experts are the guys constantly replying to stuff on the mailing lists and making lots of significant patches to the core of the project, but sometimes it's OK to condescend to use the vocabulary of the plebes and just embrace "expert" within that context. You aren't deceiving anyone here because it's just a different definition of a word, and you are using the definition that the other people expect. In fact one could say it's deceptive to insist on your specific concept of an expert when you know that the people interviewing just need someone qualified. But I think claiming experience with an explicit version that was stated is going a little bit too far. It's important to clarify. Maybe someone actually does need help with the new platform, and after all, if they're having inept recruiters do their pre-hire screening, you're probably not missing much anyway. There is a bit of line to fudge there but it definitely doesn't extend into falsifying tasks or skillsets imo.
- praptak 15y ago> What's the worst thing that could happen if you fibbed "Oh yeah 9i, I've used that too." Getting a job with a company where clueless people make important decisions. Not everybody handles such situations well.
- kragen 15y agoThe worst thing that could happen? I might get the job and find that all of my coworkers were the kind of people who lie whenever they think it will advance their own interests. That is, I'd be working with people like you. That would be a terrible outcome.