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Business Insider is well known for low quality posts. Just looking at the headline you know they chose to run a story without fact checking anything this guy sa

Business Insider is well known for low quality posts. Just looking at the headline you know they chose to run a story without fact checking anything this guy said.

dragontamer 3y ago
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-musk-steering-suspension/ https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-mu... Reuters did the in-depth fact-chasing. Maybe this story should point to the original article instead? It looks like this $14,000+ repair bill is real, confirmed by Reuters.
- gitfan86 3y ago
  Yes, they could have referenced someone who did fact the fact checking. But even worse is that they didn't ask him for the claim report from the insurance company.
  - dragontamer 3y ago
    > Jain is one of tens of thousands of Tesla owners who have experienced premature failures of suspension or steering parts, according to a Reuters review of thousands of Tesla documents. The chronic failures, many in relatively new vehicles, date back at least seven years and stretch across Tesla’s model lineup and across the globe, from China to the United States to Europe, according to the records and interviews with more than 20 customers and nine former Tesla managers or service technicians. Reuters cites official documents reviewed by Reuters staff, 20+ interviews with customers and 9+ interviews with managers or service technicians. That... seems quite comprehensive to me? They've got customer-side, they've got insurance side, they've even got Tesla's side here. How much more evidence or citations do you want from a story like this?
  - ahahahahah 3y ago
    > Yes, they could have referenced someone who did fact the fact checking. Yes, that would be a good thing to do. Here's some quotes from the article: > A Tesla owner received a $14,000 repair bill for a day-one issue with his Model Y, Reuters reported. > Reuters found that Tesla had faced thousands of complaints over suspension and steering issues. > Jain told Reuters ... > The Reuters investigation — which cited interviews with more than 20 customers and 9 Tesla workers, as well as thousands of internal documents I guess it'd have been possible for them to explain more that Reuters had done the investigation.
  - rsynnott 3y ago
    They do link to the Reuters piece. The BI piece doesn’t really contextualise it well, and I’d agree that linking to the Reuters piece would better, but it doesn’t seem that egregious. (I suspect that the reason the BI piece exists and is linked to in the first place is that the Reuters piece is _very long_, and a lot of people won’t have the patience to read it.)
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clouddrover 3y ago
> "The Reuters investigation — which cited interviews with more than 20 customers and 9 Tesla workers, as well as thousands of internal documents — found that Jain was one of thousands of Tesla owners to face issues with the company's suspension or steering over the past six years." https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-musk-steering-suspension/ https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-mu... Maybe you should read the story and not just the headline.
defrost 3y ago
Business Insider clearly states they are drawing from a Reuters investigation story. They are factually reporting that everything is sourced from Reuters. If you want to take issue with what you see as "poor reporting" then take issue with the source: Tesla blamed drivers for failures of parts it long knew were defective Wheels falling off cars at speed. Suspensions collapsing on brand-new vehicles. Axles breaking under acceleration. Tens of thousands of customers told Tesla about a host of part failures on low-mileage cars. The automaker sought to blame drivers for vehicle ‘abuse,’ but Tesla documents show it had tracked the chronic ‘flaws’ and ‘failures’ for years. https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-musk-steering-suspension/ https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-mu... It sounds as though there is more than "one guy" and that the claims made are backed by documents.
- gitfan86 3y ago
  What about repeating parts of a Reuters article proves that business Insider isn't low quality and did that they did fact check this guy themselves?
  - dragontamer 3y ago
    We can get @dang (or another moderator) to change this to point to the Reuter's article, which would be my preference. (I also hate it when a lazy website just copy/pastes from another website who did all the work). But that being said: the facts on the ground seem to be solid. We can discuss the Reuter's article instead and try to elevate the discussion here.
    - gitfan86 3y ago
      Yes, that was my point in my original comment. HN would be better if we avoided clickbait and low quality "journalism"
      - clouddrover 3y ago
        You're not making any points.
Guvante 3y ago
I don't know what isn't believable about a suspension issue leading to an accident which causes a five figure repair bill. Or Tesla being very weird about fixing failures in their vehicles.

Business Insider is well known for low quality posts. Just looking at the headline you know they chose to run a story without fact checking anything this guy said.

dragontamer 3y ago

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-musk-steering-suspension/ https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-mu... Reuters did the in-depth fact-chasing. Maybe this story should point to the original article instead? It looks like this $14,000+ repair bill is real, confirmed by Reuters.

gitfan86 3y ago
Yes, they could have referenced someone who did fact the fact checking. But even worse is that they didn't ask him for the claim report from the insurance company.
- dragontamer 3y ago
  > Jain is one of tens of thousands of Tesla owners who have experienced premature failures of suspension or steering parts, according to a Reuters review of thousands of Tesla documents. The chronic failures, many in relatively new vehicles, date back at least seven years and stretch across Tesla’s model lineup and across the globe, from China to the United States to Europe, according to the records and interviews with more than 20 customers and nine former Tesla managers or service technicians. Reuters cites official documents reviewed by Reuters staff, 20+ interviews with customers and 9+ interviews with managers or service technicians. That... seems quite comprehensive to me? They've got customer-side, they've got insurance side, they've even got Tesla's side here. How much more evidence or citations do you want from a story like this?
- ahahahahah 3y ago
  > Yes, they could have referenced someone who did fact the fact checking. Yes, that would be a good thing to do. Here's some quotes from the article: > A Tesla owner received a $14,000 repair bill for a day-one issue with his Model Y, Reuters reported. > Reuters found that Tesla had faced thousands of complaints over suspension and steering issues. > Jain told Reuters ... > The Reuters investigation — which cited interviews with more than 20 customers and 9 Tesla workers, as well as thousands of internal documents I guess it'd have been possible for them to explain more that Reuters had done the investigation.
- rsynnott 3y ago
  They do link to the Reuters piece. The BI piece doesn’t really contextualise it well, and I’d agree that linking to the Reuters piece would better, but it doesn’t seem that egregious. (I suspect that the reason the BI piece exists and is linked to in the first place is that the Reuters piece is _very long_, and a lot of people won’t have the patience to read it.)
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clouddrover 3y ago

> "The Reuters investigation — which cited interviews with more than 20 customers and 9 Tesla workers, as well as thousands of internal documents — found that Jain was one of thousands of Tesla owners to face issues with the company's suspension or steering over the past six years." https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-musk-steering-suspension/ https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-mu... Maybe you should read the story and not just the headline.

defrost 3y ago

Business Insider clearly states they are drawing from a Reuters investigation story. They are factually reporting that everything is sourced from Reuters. If you want to take issue with what you see as "poor reporting" then take issue with the source: Tesla blamed drivers for failures of parts it long knew were defective Wheels falling off cars at speed. Suspensions collapsing on brand-new vehicles. Axles breaking under acceleration. Tens of thousands of customers told Tesla about a host of part failures on low-mileage cars. The automaker sought to blame drivers for vehicle ‘abuse,’ but Tesla documents show it had tracked the chronic ‘flaws’ and ‘failures’ for years. https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-musk-steering-suspension/ https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-mu... It sounds as though there is more than "one guy" and that the claims made are backed by documents.

gitfan86 3y ago
What about repeating parts of a Reuters article proves that business Insider isn't low quality and did that they did fact check this guy themselves?
- dragontamer 3y ago
  We can get @dang (or another moderator) to change this to point to the Reuter's article, which would be my preference. (I also hate it when a lazy website just copy/pastes from another website who did all the work). But that being said: the facts on the ground seem to be solid. We can discuss the Reuter's article instead and try to elevate the discussion here.
  - gitfan86 3y ago
    Yes, that was my point in my original comment. HN would be better if we avoided clickbait and low quality "journalism"
    - clouddrover 3y ago
      You're not making any points.

Guvante 3y ago

I don't know what isn't believable about a suspension issue leading to an accident which causes a five figure repair bill. Or Tesla being very weird about fixing failures in their vehicles.