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> He will remain at a secure hospital for life unless doctors deem him no longer a danger, Southwark crown court heard on Thursday. For life, haha. Probably a

> He will remain at a secure hospital for life unless doctors deem him no longer a danger, Southwark crown court heard on Thursday. For life, haha. Probably a few months at most. > Many young people wish to explore how technology works and what vulnerabilities exist. This can include learning to code, interacting with like-minded individuals online and experimenting with tools. Learning to code and experimenting is wayyyy beyond what topic OP is doing. Personally I don't really care. Rockstar has a grip on it. I'm proud of this fellow for finding and exploiting holes. Yes, he should have gone through proper channels. But he is also just a kid and likely don't understand responsible disclosure. The target person in this article should be educated and administered. They clearly have a lot of potential. Limiting them is not the way to go.

hipadev23 3y ago
There’s often no mechanism for responsible disclosure, and you put yourself at just as much risk doing so with good intentions. Best outcome is generally do nothing at all. Never any upside.
polemic 3y ago
[According to the article] He has acute autism, is violent in custody and expressed intent to continue comitting crimes. This isn't just "some kid with potential" – he will end up in prison sooner of later, which will be an especially hellish place for someone like that to be. I hope he gets the help he needs. Maybe courtesy of certain British spooky agencies.
- lainga 3y ago
  > He has acute autism, is violent in custody... Are the two related? Or is his case autism and something is making him violent?
Adamantish 3y ago
You don't understand. Britain respects some basic rights for those considered dangerously bad, but not the "dangerously mad". I worked as a paper pusher in the UK's mental health appeal system. If they think the patient continues to present a risk of harm to others, there is no escape. It's extremely hard for a patient to convince others they're safe. Many stay in for many more decades than they would have done in prison. If they think his condition was so severe that it made the criminal decision for him, they might not ever be convinced he's stopped being a danger until his condition is cured. Given autism is not a curable mental disorder, this outcome is a bit of a scandal.
- TylerE 3y ago
  I mean, stills seems way ahead of the US where someone like him would just be thrown in genpop with no special protections at all.
turquoisevar 3y ago
Don’t know about the UK specifically, but familiar with an analogue process in a EU country and it’s almost always a life sentence. Doctors will almost never sign off, in part because of fear they were wrong (there were a handful of cases where the person ended up becoming violent in public, lots of public outrage despite it being statistically insignificant across all the released). Result is also that 60% is deemed “untreatable” within the first few months and thus will never even be considered for release. Issue is also that it’s kind of a feedback loop, no perspective on a possible relief doesn’t help mental issues. Also doesn’t help that it’s not considered a punishment or substitute thereof so people first have to serve their time in prison (which often fucks them up even more) before they get transferred to a custody mental hospital to fulfill that part of their sentence. It’s so bad that defense lawyers try to avoid it all cost because then at least they can be treated after prison by someone who’s main priority is to treat or manage the mental issue.

hipadev23 3y ago

There’s often no mechanism for responsible disclosure, and you put yourself at just as much risk doing so with good intentions. Best outcome is generally do nothing at all. Never any upside.

polemic 3y ago

[According to the article] He has acute autism, is violent in custody and expressed intent to continue comitting crimes. This isn't just "some kid with potential" – he will end up in prison sooner of later, which will be an especially hellish place for someone like that to be. I hope he gets the help he needs. Maybe courtesy of certain British spooky agencies.

lainga 3y ago
> He has acute autism, is violent in custody... Are the two related? Or is his case autism and something is making him violent?

Adamantish 3y ago

You don't understand. Britain respects some basic rights for those considered dangerously bad, but not the "dangerously mad". I worked as a paper pusher in the UK's mental health appeal system. If they think the patient continues to present a risk of harm to others, there is no escape. It's extremely hard for a patient to convince others they're safe. Many stay in for many more decades than they would have done in prison. If they think his condition was so severe that it made the criminal decision for him, they might not ever be convinced he's stopped being a danger until his condition is cured. Given autism is not a curable mental disorder, this outcome is a bit of a scandal.

TylerE 3y ago
I mean, stills seems way ahead of the US where someone like him would just be thrown in genpop with no special protections at all.

turquoisevar 3y ago

Don’t know about the UK specifically, but familiar with an analogue process in a EU country and it’s almost always a life sentence. Doctors will almost never sign off, in part because of fear they were wrong (there were a handful of cases where the person ended up becoming violent in public, lots of public outrage despite it being statistically insignificant across all the released). Result is also that 60% is deemed “untreatable” within the first few months and thus will never even be considered for release. Issue is also that it’s kind of a feedback loop, no perspective on a possible relief doesn’t help mental issues. Also doesn’t help that it’s not considered a punishment or substitute thereof so people first have to serve their time in prison (which often fucks them up even more) before they get transferred to a custody mental hospital to fulfill that part of their sentence. It’s so bad that defense lawyers try to avoid it all cost because then at least they can be treated after prison by someone who’s main priority is to treat or manage the mental issue.