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I've heard they're not that healthy. Gorillas on the other hand are. I wonder if there's some floor dosage which is far from affecting your health but already

I've heard they're not that healthy. Gorillas on the other hand are. I wonder if there's some floor dosage which is far from affecting your health but already significant in affecting your well-being. Why aren't we all on steroids. Why people who are trying to get rid of fat are not on steroids.

loeg 3y ago
> I've heard they're not that healthy. Gorillas on the other hand are. Are they? Gorillas live to 35-40. Humans live to 80+.
silverquiet 3y ago
I suspect that bodybuilding is unhealthy for a number of reasons and is obviously associated with steroid use. It seems possible to me (and I really don't know that much here) that some amount of steroid use may possibly increase health, but that is not what bodybuilders are interested in. Either way, I do not take them.
- loeg 3y ago
  The vast majority of competitive bodybuilders are on very high doses of anabolic steroids (AAS) and compete in an "open" (untested) league. Absurdly high dose AAS use is associated with (at least) a couple kinds of heart disease. It's not good for you. (There are also some "natural" bodybuilders and a smaller tested/natural league.)
FredPret 3y ago
Why are gorillas healthy? They aren't getting diabetes, sure, but most wild animals teeter on the edge of survival all the time - not a state of vibrant health.
AmericanChopper 3y ago
> Why people who are trying to get rid of fat are not on steroids. A lot of people are. Anavar and Clenbuterol is a very popular fat loss regimen (though likely not acquired via a legitimate prescription very often), and not just for bodybuilders. The amount of middle age men on Testosterone Replacement Therapy is also likely a lot higher than you think it is, and body fat management is one of the more appealing benefits of TRT. The risks of messing with your natural sex hormones never go away though, so there’s always going to be risks that a lot of people don’t want to take. Like high blood pressure, heart disease, suppression of natural testosterone production, hypogonadism (and infertility), gynecomastia… and for women there’s the androgenising effects, as steroids are part of the pharmaceutical side of a gender reassignment for them (which is why it’s not uncommon for some of the larger female bodybuilders to have especially deep voices, or even masculine-looking facial hair).
- loeg 3y ago
  I just want to clarify a little for other people less familiar with these chemicals. Clenbuterol is not an anabolic steroid, despite being classified as that by WADA. It's more of a stimulant. And no one is prescribing it, at least in the US. The rest of your comment about complications of anabolic steroid use is totally correct.
  - AmericanChopper 3y ago
    Yes that’s absolutely correct. To add a little more, stimulants have a rather sordid history as weight loss supplements (almost always ending up banned), being used to increase your basal metabolic rate (burning more energy at rest). Anabolic steroids are used because your body can extract stored energy from both fat and the protein in your muscles, and they ultimately have the net effect of getting your body to extract more of that energy from the fat. Use of either stimulants or anabolics alone would have an effect on body fat, just a greater effect when used together. Of course the better option is to use neither of them, and just have a healthy diet and exercise routine. The health risks are incredibly serious, even if you manage to avoid outright dropping dead at a young age (like many “enhanced” fitness influencers have, such as Zyzz, Jo Linder, Rich Piana…).
    - thriftwy 3y ago
      What if I don't want to have an excercise routine? It is not something I enjoy so I don't do that. I want to lie 12 hours straight under a tree and be reasonably fit, like a gorilla. Eating healthy makes sense but excercising, by definition of that word, does not.
      - AmericanChopper 3y ago
        If you just want to be lean you can achieve that with diet alone. But if you want a lot of muscle mass, then you need to exercise. If you gave an entirely sedentary person anabolic steroids, they’d probably end up with slightly more muscle mass then they otherwise would have had, but you’re not getting a gorilla physique without a lot of exercise.

loeg 3y ago

> I've heard they're not that healthy. Gorillas on the other hand are. Are they? Gorillas live to 35-40. Humans live to 80+.

silverquiet 3y ago

I suspect that bodybuilding is unhealthy for a number of reasons and is obviously associated with steroid use. It seems possible to me (and I really don't know that much here) that some amount of steroid use may possibly increase health, but that is not what bodybuilders are interested in. Either way, I do not take them.

loeg 3y ago
The vast majority of competitive bodybuilders are on very high doses of anabolic steroids (AAS) and compete in an "open" (untested) league. Absurdly high dose AAS use is associated with (at least) a couple kinds of heart disease. It's not good for you. (There are also some "natural" bodybuilders and a smaller tested/natural league.)

FredPret 3y ago

Why are gorillas healthy? They aren't getting diabetes, sure, but most wild animals teeter on the edge of survival all the time - not a state of vibrant health.

AmericanChopper 3y ago

> Why people who are trying to get rid of fat are not on steroids. A lot of people are. Anavar and Clenbuterol is a very popular fat loss regimen (though likely not acquired via a legitimate prescription very often), and not just for bodybuilders. The amount of middle age men on Testosterone Replacement Therapy is also likely a lot higher than you think it is, and body fat management is one of the more appealing benefits of TRT. The risks of messing with your natural sex hormones never go away though, so there’s always going to be risks that a lot of people don’t want to take. Like high blood pressure, heart disease, suppression of natural testosterone production, hypogonadism (and infertility), gynecomastia… and for women there’s the androgenising effects, as steroids are part of the pharmaceutical side of a gender reassignment for them (which is why it’s not uncommon for some of the larger female bodybuilders to have especially deep voices, or even masculine-looking facial hair).

loeg 3y ago
I just want to clarify a little for other people less familiar with these chemicals. Clenbuterol is not an anabolic steroid, despite being classified as that by WADA. It's more of a stimulant. And no one is prescribing it, at least in the US. The rest of your comment about complications of anabolic steroid use is totally correct.
- AmericanChopper 3y ago
  Yes that’s absolutely correct. To add a little more, stimulants have a rather sordid history as weight loss supplements (almost always ending up banned), being used to increase your basal metabolic rate (burning more energy at rest). Anabolic steroids are used because your body can extract stored energy from both fat and the protein in your muscles, and they ultimately have the net effect of getting your body to extract more of that energy from the fat. Use of either stimulants or anabolics alone would have an effect on body fat, just a greater effect when used together. Of course the better option is to use neither of them, and just have a healthy diet and exercise routine. The health risks are incredibly serious, even if you manage to avoid outright dropping dead at a young age (like many “enhanced” fitness influencers have, such as Zyzz, Jo Linder, Rich Piana…).
  - thriftwy 3y ago
    What if I don't want to have an excercise routine? It is not something I enjoy so I don't do that. I want to lie 12 hours straight under a tree and be reasonably fit, like a gorilla. Eating healthy makes sense but excercising, by definition of that word, does not.
    - AmericanChopper 3y ago
      If you just want to be lean you can achieve that with diet alone. But if you want a lot of muscle mass, then you need to exercise. If you gave an entirely sedentary person anabolic steroids, they’d probably end up with slightly more muscle mass then they otherwise would have had, but you’re not getting a gorilla physique without a lot of exercise.