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>>As well as hacking offences the boy was sentenced for what the judge described as "unpleasant and frightening pattern of stalking and harassment" of two young

by isk517 3y ago

>>As well as hacking offences the boy was sentenced for what the judge described as "unpleasant and frightening pattern of stalking and harassment" of two young women. Bunch of people on here are defending him, please justify this for me.

whalesalad 3y ago
he's an 18 year old autistic kid - you've never made mistakes in your younger years? why are we so quick to dismiss an entire human life as worthless? people only learn when others are strong enough to teach them.
- bithive123 3y ago
  No one's dismissing his life as worthless, they're just being clear-eyed about his behavior. It's one thing to be young and creep someone out because you're maladjusted and sexually frustrated. It's another to actually stalk and harass people and announce your intention to commit crimes. Your theory of learning is also opposite my experience; people only learn things when they decide to. Can you find any examples of someone really internalizing a lesson they didn't want to learn? From what I've read about this kid and his activities, this isn't some youthful prank that got blown out of proportion, the group he was part of was gleefully mocking and extorting their victims.
  - whalesalad 3y ago
    All of this can be rationalized. We all do dumb shit, and can learn to see things in a new light. What you say about learning has some truths but you need an externality to show you what you’re missing, to shift your viewpoint. You don’t go from rock bottom to sudden realization all on your own. A switch doesn’t flip in your mind. It comes from the outside world, not within. And a lot of folks are dismissing this persons life in the thread.
    - bithive123 3y ago
      I agree that people, including criminals, should be nurtured and given the opportunity to learn and grow. But all society can do is provide the conditions for growth while protecting itself from people who can't, won't, or haven't yet.
BobaFloutist 3y ago
Edit: Actually, FTA that's a different (17-year-old) boy. Ok that's dramatically worse. Still not sure "indefinite detention" is the right call, but that's absolutely a more significant crime.
- isk517 3y ago
  I went back and re-read it. You are correct and I am mistaken. The article does briefly discuss another 17-year old member of the group who was the one doing the stalking.

by isk517 3y ago

whalesalad 3y ago

he's an 18 year old autistic kid - you've never made mistakes in your younger years? why are we so quick to dismiss an entire human life as worthless? people only learn when others are strong enough to teach them.

bithive123 3y ago
No one's dismissing his life as worthless, they're just being clear-eyed about his behavior. It's one thing to be young and creep someone out because you're maladjusted and sexually frustrated. It's another to actually stalk and harass people and announce your intention to commit crimes. Your theory of learning is also opposite my experience; people only learn things when they decide to. Can you find any examples of someone really internalizing a lesson they didn't want to learn? From what I've read about this kid and his activities, this isn't some youthful prank that got blown out of proportion, the group he was part of was gleefully mocking and extorting their victims.
- whalesalad 3y ago
  All of this can be rationalized. We all do dumb shit, and can learn to see things in a new light. What you say about learning has some truths but you need an externality to show you what you’re missing, to shift your viewpoint. You don’t go from rock bottom to sudden realization all on your own. A switch doesn’t flip in your mind. It comes from the outside world, not within. And a lot of folks are dismissing this persons life in the thread.
  - bithive123 3y ago
    I agree that people, including criminals, should be nurtured and given the opportunity to learn and grow. But all society can do is provide the conditions for growth while protecting itself from people who can't, won't, or haven't yet.

BobaFloutist 3y ago

Edit: Actually, FTA that's a different (17-year-old) boy. Ok that's dramatically worse. Still not sure "indefinite detention" is the right call, but that's absolutely a more significant crime.

isk517 3y ago
I went back and re-read it. You are correct and I am mistaken. The article does briefly discuss another 17-year old member of the group who was the one doing the stalking.