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I don't quite understand the anger that DEI gets, unless people assume that people are only hired because they belong to a certain group. I'm not US based, so I

I don't quite understand the anger that DEI gets, unless people assume that people are only hired because they belong to a certain group. I'm not US based, so I only see that "safe for UK" view of what $Company blast over to us. Musk and Thiel see the world in very specific ways. Because they are who they are, and the people that surround them, they will not change their view unless something drastic happens. They simply don't have to, because they are rich enough to weather any storm that requires anyone else to change tack. They have opinion gravity, where anything they say will become true, because people with the same opinions will gravitate towards them (see Taylor Swift & Kanye) Don't get me wrong, there are parts of DEI that grate my balls: the performative celebration, the "days of action" and the tedious celebrations where we pretend that we've not got a problem with women in the workplace. However, applying a bit of data to change a few procedures so that we get a better more diverse set of people joining and thriving, is fucking great. Done properly, most people wont notice.

nvm0n2 3y ago
It's not a US thing. If you think it is, you're just not being told about it by the news sources you read. Just a few days ago the head of a large UK insurance company stated directly to Parliament that she insisted on personally reviewing any attempt to hire a "non diverse" person, whilst "diverse" (i.e. non male British) could be hired more easily. This is by far not the only such example in British life. So this type of discrimination is rampant and out in the open. If you only read the Guardian you may not be aware of it.
- KaiserPro 3y ago
  > If you only read the Guardian come on, the gruaniad ceased to be a newspaper many years ago. the source: https://committees.parliament.uk/oralevidence/14007/html/ https://committees.parliament.uk/oralevidence/14007/html/ q141 actually makes a fair bit of sense, as its a insurance company who are the generally masters of hiring Henno who went to a good school, not Terry who's talented. Moreover, its not "we directly discriminate" its "I question to make sure that the procedure is followed". Which is different. Bear in mind, this is for rich senior insurance execs, who have a fucktonne of money to take people to court, you're sure as shit going to be sure that the policies they are talking about are going to be water fucking tight. Also, as its insurance, there are about 5 women who are that senior, so the CEO is going to be doing a lot of asking if the procedure is being followed.
  - nvm0n2 3y ago
    A truly classic example of: it's definitely not happening -> it's happening and that's a good thing.
xvector 3y ago
> Done properly, most people wont notice. I guess that's the problem. When it's not done properly, you can't criticize it, because you'll get fired. And when it's not done properly, it's catastrophic (ie lowering hiring bars, hiring no-hire candidates, etc.)
- KaiserPro 3y ago
  > it's catastrophic (ie lowering hiring bars, hiring no-hire candidates, etc.) I mean yeah, but everyone hired after me is a low bar hire. Thems the rules.

nvm0n2 3y ago

It's not a US thing. If you think it is, you're just not being told about it by the news sources you read. Just a few days ago the head of a large UK insurance company stated directly to Parliament that she insisted on personally reviewing any attempt to hire a "non diverse" person, whilst "diverse" (i.e. non male British) could be hired more easily. This is by far not the only such example in British life. So this type of discrimination is rampant and out in the open. If you only read the Guardian you may not be aware of it.

KaiserPro 3y ago
> If you only read the Guardian come on, the gruaniad ceased to be a newspaper many years ago. the source: https://committees.parliament.uk/oralevidence/14007/html/ https://committees.parliament.uk/oralevidence/14007/html/ q141 actually makes a fair bit of sense, as its a insurance company who are the generally masters of hiring Henno who went to a good school, not Terry who's talented. Moreover, its not "we directly discriminate" its "I question to make sure that the procedure is followed". Which is different. Bear in mind, this is for rich senior insurance execs, who have a fucktonne of money to take people to court, you're sure as shit going to be sure that the policies they are talking about are going to be water fucking tight. Also, as its insurance, there are about 5 women who are that senior, so the CEO is going to be doing a lot of asking if the procedure is being followed.
- nvm0n2 3y ago
  A truly classic example of: it's definitely not happening -> it's happening and that's a good thing.

xvector 3y ago

> Done properly, most people wont notice. I guess that's the problem. When it's not done properly, you can't criticize it, because you'll get fired. And when it's not done properly, it's catastrophic (ie lowering hiring bars, hiring no-hire candidates, etc.)

KaiserPro 3y ago
> it's catastrophic (ie lowering hiring bars, hiring no-hire candidates, etc.) I mean yeah, but everyone hired after me is a low bar hire. Thems the rules.