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This is ridiculous. We don't need people pontificating about what "rights" exist when I chose to request content from someone else's server. We need better ad

This is ridiculous. We don't need people pontificating about what "rights" exist when I chose to request content from someone else's server. We need better ad-blocking technologies. Let the arms race continue. Haven't had to deal with ads for years now, as a happy Firefox + uBlock user.

drdaeman 3y ago
This. Service operators have no saying in how you process the response, as long as it doesn’t violate any laws (e.g. redistribution beyond fair use) But. The end of this arms race is gonna be problematic because of the halting problem. Unlike some other issues, we possibly don’t want to push it too hard here until the society catches up, or we’ll end up with black box programs inside the browsers, handling all aspects of rendering. That would be a wasteful loss for everyone.
- ilc 3y ago
  The camel's nose is already there. Say hi to DRM.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  If I can't find browsers that help me protect myself from websites, I'll just stop using the web entirely. The web has been getting less useful, more irritating, and more problematic for years anyway. At this point, it wouldn't be a huge loss to me.
tantalor 3y ago
> We don't need people pontificating about what "rights" exist While you may prefer anarchy, in the real world courts will make these choices for you, and enforce the rules, putting your property and liberty at risk.
- alphazard 3y ago
  In this case it's a bit like legislating the weather. Rights are just commitments by a government to ensure certain things do/don't happen within its area of reach. A right is only as good as a government's ability to enforce it. In this case we aren't talking about life or property or physical things in a single jurisdiction. We are talking about information exchanged over a distributed network, that spans nearly every jurisdiction on Earth. Unless you are expecting a single world government, monitoring every network link, and a ban on encryption in the near future, it's unreasonable to expect the "rights" being discussed to materially impact you. Maybe you work in advertising, and this does actually affect some number in a quarterly report.
epgui 3y ago
This just sounds to me like you don't know a whole lot about the philosophy of law and you think it's not worth learning or thinking about.
SoftTalker 3y ago
Yes. It's my computer, my screen, my power, my network connection. I will choose which content I wish to view using my resources. I don't wish to view ads, especially the kind of intrusive, annoying ads that are predominant today. If they were simple banners that didn't try to interupt my use of the site and tax my CPU and network I probably would care a lot less. If a site doesn't like those terms, fine. I'll find my content elsewhere.

drdaeman 3y ago

This. Service operators have no saying in how you process the response, as long as it doesn’t violate any laws (e.g. redistribution beyond fair use) But. The end of this arms race is gonna be problematic because of the halting problem. Unlike some other issues, we possibly don’t want to push it too hard here until the society catches up, or we’ll end up with black box programs inside the browsers, handling all aspects of rendering. That would be a wasteful loss for everyone.

ilc 3y ago
The camel's nose is already there. Say hi to DRM.
JohnFen 3y ago
If I can't find browsers that help me protect myself from websites, I'll just stop using the web entirely. The web has been getting less useful, more irritating, and more problematic for years anyway. At this point, it wouldn't be a huge loss to me.

tantalor 3y ago

> We don't need people pontificating about what "rights" exist While you may prefer anarchy, in the real world courts will make these choices for you, and enforce the rules, putting your property and liberty at risk.

alphazard 3y ago
In this case it's a bit like legislating the weather. Rights are just commitments by a government to ensure certain things do/don't happen within its area of reach. A right is only as good as a government's ability to enforce it. In this case we aren't talking about life or property or physical things in a single jurisdiction. We are talking about information exchanged over a distributed network, that spans nearly every jurisdiction on Earth. Unless you are expecting a single world government, monitoring every network link, and a ban on encryption in the near future, it's unreasonable to expect the "rights" being discussed to materially impact you. Maybe you work in advertising, and this does actually affect some number in a quarterly report.

epgui 3y ago

This just sounds to me like you don't know a whole lot about the philosophy of law and you think it's not worth learning or thinking about.

SoftTalker 3y ago

Yes. It's my computer, my screen, my power, my network connection. I will choose which content I wish to view using my resources. I don't wish to view ads, especially the kind of intrusive, annoying ads that are predominant today. If they were simple banners that didn't try to interupt my use of the site and tax my CPU and network I probably would care a lot less. If a site doesn't like those terms, fine. I'll find my content elsewhere.