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Musk was not instrumental in mainstream EVs. He was on the early wave of it, yes, but other companies had EVs out at the same time or before, and the price dro

by Syonyk 3y ago

Musk was not instrumental in mainstream EVs. He was on the early wave of it, yes, but other companies had EVs out at the same time or before, and the price drop in lithium was obvious to everyone who was paying attention at the time. It would have happened one way or another. Yes, we've ruined astronomy with a ton of LEO satellites, but we've got some internet in exchange (I'm rural, I have it, I'm quite honestly not impressed with what it delivers for how much I pay, and how inconsistent it is - on some days, it's quite good, on other days it's more or less dialup grade). And we'll see how that lift capacity works. Everyone will continue insisting that Kessler Syndrome Won't Possibly Happen until about a year after it's happened, at which point, welp. It was fun while it lasted! I've done computer security a bit too long, I think.

jibe 3y ago
other companies had EVs out at the same time Who? And how did they mainstream EVs more than Tesla? Fisker was in the market early, but didn’t mainstream EVs. GM was in way early, but probably held the market back.
- bombcar 3y ago
  Honestly, Musk’s innovation with Tesla has nothing to do with the damn cars. He made sure they build a supercharging network to answer the main complaint. That worked.
  - jibe 3y ago
    That was important, maybe the most important. But bringing down the price was also key to mainstreaming, also making attractive cars. Eco cars tended be in the ugly for a cause style, like the Prius.
panick21_ 3y ago
> but other companies had EVs out at the same time or before Making EV mainstream is about more then a big company throwing a few batteries into an existing car platform. It was about shifting perceptions, starting a public conversation and making people actual demand EVs. And making EV profitable. > and the price drop in lithium was obvious to everyone who was paying attention at the time. Ah that's why Tesla is such a small an insignificant company now, because everybody else knew everything. Brilliant logic. > It would have happened one way or another. That is literally what Musk has said for 20 years. Its gone happen anyway, Tesla is about making it happen faster. And his building of the Roaster, Model S were clearly huge steps. Building the Gigafactory Nevada was a huge signal, and lead to a huge amount of investment all threw the supply chains, and lots of companies thinking bigger. The biggest European battery maker is people who helped build Giga Nevada and then went and started a new battery company in Europe. The Model 3 reaching profitability was a absolutely huge signal in the automotive industry. Tesla building it with 20%+ margin was a literal bomb in the industry. Until that point it was almost universally believed that high volume EV were just not gone be possible. After that pretty much all car companies accelerated their EV strategies. > Yes, we've ruined astronomy How this nonsense claim gets repeated over and over again is just beyond me. Anybody who still argues this is just willfully ignorant at this point. > I'm quite honestly not impressed with what it delivers And more then 2 million people disagree with you and that number is growing. > Everyone will continue insisting that Kessler Syndrome The inherent permission in your worldview is just sad and depressing. Everything bad must happen even when most experts agree it wont happen.
diebeforei485 3y ago
> It would have happened one way or another. This is exactly why the stated goal of Tesla is to accelerate the advent of electric cars - in other words, make it happen a lot sooner than it otherwise would have. I personally think making internet available to people who don't have it is far more important than people who do have home internet complaining about their view of the stars during their camping trip. China and others have done far, far more to contribute to space junk than SpaceX has.
kortilla 3y ago
> Musk was not instrumental in mainstream EVs. Tesla absolutely was and still is. They dominate the market. > on other days it's more or less dialup grade You’ve either got bad hardware or you’ve never used dialup. Even in congestion on the RV product (lower priority than residential) I’ve only seen down to 20mbps. That’s 400x dialup. > I'm quite honestly not impressed with what it delivers for how much I pay Please cancel! I could use the capacity when I’m out in the boondocks. > Everyone will continue insisting that Kessler Syndrome Won't Possibly Happen until about a year after it's happened, at which point, welp. It was fun while it lasted! LEO natural decay means a royal fuckup locks out <10 years. If you have any actual meaningful analysis to add on why these constellations are Kessler risks, please notify the space force! Everyone involved seems to think it’s not a problem so you should probably correct them.

by Syonyk 3y ago

jibe 3y ago

other companies had EVs out at the same time Who? And how did they mainstream EVs more than Tesla? Fisker was in the market early, but didn’t mainstream EVs. GM was in way early, but probably held the market back.

bombcar 3y ago
Honestly, Musk’s innovation with Tesla has nothing to do with the damn cars. He made sure they build a supercharging network to answer the main complaint. That worked.
- jibe 3y ago
  That was important, maybe the most important. But bringing down the price was also key to mainstreaming, also making attractive cars. Eco cars tended be in the ugly for a cause style, like the Prius.

panick21_ 3y ago

> but other companies had EVs out at the same time or before Making EV mainstream is about more then a big company throwing a few batteries into an existing car platform. It was about shifting perceptions, starting a public conversation and making people actual demand EVs. And making EV profitable. > and the price drop in lithium was obvious to everyone who was paying attention at the time. Ah that's why Tesla is such a small an insignificant company now, because everybody else knew everything. Brilliant logic. > It would have happened one way or another. That is literally what Musk has said for 20 years. Its gone happen anyway, Tesla is about making it happen faster. And his building of the Roaster, Model S were clearly huge steps. Building the Gigafactory Nevada was a huge signal, and lead to a huge amount of investment all threw the supply chains, and lots of companies thinking bigger. The biggest European battery maker is people who helped build Giga Nevada and then went and started a new battery company in Europe. The Model 3 reaching profitability was a absolutely huge signal in the automotive industry. Tesla building it with 20%+ margin was a literal bomb in the industry. Until that point it was almost universally believed that high volume EV were just not gone be possible. After that pretty much all car companies accelerated their EV strategies. > Yes, we've ruined astronomy How this nonsense claim gets repeated over and over again is just beyond me. Anybody who still argues this is just willfully ignorant at this point. > I'm quite honestly not impressed with what it delivers And more then 2 million people disagree with you and that number is growing. > Everyone will continue insisting that Kessler Syndrome The inherent permission in your worldview is just sad and depressing. Everything bad must happen even when most experts agree it wont happen.

diebeforei485 3y ago

> It would have happened one way or another. This is exactly why the stated goal of Tesla is to accelerate the advent of electric cars - in other words, make it happen a lot sooner than it otherwise would have. I personally think making internet available to people who don't have it is far more important than people who do have home internet complaining about their view of the stars during their camping trip. China and others have done far, far more to contribute to space junk than SpaceX has.

kortilla 3y ago

> Musk was not instrumental in mainstream EVs. Tesla absolutely was and still is. They dominate the market. > on other days it's more or less dialup grade You’ve either got bad hardware or you’ve never used dialup. Even in congestion on the RV product (lower priority than residential) I’ve only seen down to 20mbps. That’s 400x dialup. > I'm quite honestly not impressed with what it delivers for how much I pay Please cancel! I could use the capacity when I’m out in the boondocks. > Everyone will continue insisting that Kessler Syndrome Won't Possibly Happen until about a year after it's happened, at which point, welp. It was fun while it lasted! LEO natural decay means a royal fuckup locks out <10 years. If you have any actual meaningful analysis to add on why these constellations are Kessler risks, please notify the space force! Everyone involved seems to think it’s not a problem so you should probably correct them.