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I don't see Google making it easier to communicate outside of their kingdom. AFAIK Google's RCS (with their encryption extensions) is not an industry standard o

by riscy 3y ago

I don't see Google making it easier to communicate outside of their kingdom. AFAIK Google's RCS (with their encryption extensions) is not an industry standard or available for 3rd party apps to use. Why is the expectation only on Apple to make such changes?

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tedd4u 3y ago
Apple says they will implement RCS in 2024. https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/16/23964171/apple-iphone-rcs-support https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/16/23964171/apple-iphone-rc...
- legobmw99 3y ago
  Without end to end encryption, because that is not part of the standard, as the grandparent comment said
nicoburns 3y ago
IMO they should also be made to open up. As should whatsapp and facebook messenger.
- luma 3y ago
  My suspicion is that someone like the EU made it clear to Apple that they would either interop or the EU would make them do so. They have finally relented to support RCS in the coming year.
  - riscy 3y ago
    I'm glad it's happening. RCS finally got widespread carrier adoption (minus encryption) and it's a big improvement over SMS!
luma 3y ago
RCS is a spec ratified by the GSMA, the same standards body that specified things like SMS. Google tried to get Apple to do RCS, they refused, then Google tried to get a license to interop with iMessage and Apple refused again. Google has tried literally everything to try and get Apple to play ball here.
- joshmanders 3y ago
  > Google has tried literally everything to try and get Apple to play ball here. You're framing it in a nefarious way as if Apple is flat out denying it. They didn't. They would have to LOWER security in iPhones by implementing RCS because iMessages have E2EE but RCS doesn't. Which is something all you anti-Apple people seem to conveniently leave out, because you know nobody would take it seriously if you said it.
  - xg15 3y ago
    Well I guess then they should let other people interop with iMessage directly, so the E2EE can be kept.
  - ruszki 3y ago
    In the thread to which you replied, somebody mentioned that it’s possible to do that on top RCS, and Google already did it. If Apple wants to make their own encryption they can do it, nothing stops them. Interoperability would still be better, just like in the case of Google with other RCS solutions.
    - riscy 3y ago
      Please explain how interoperability between messaging apps is possible if two different, proprietary E2EE schemes are used atop RCS. Google's interop "solution" with the Samsung messages app is by not using encryption. Apple has that same level of support coming to iOS next year, and has also announced plans to work with GSMA on adding standardized encryption to RCS.
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redhale 3y ago
You seem to be mistaken: https://9to5mac.com/2023/11/16/apple-rcs-coming-to-iphone/ https://9to5mac.com/2023/11/16/apple-rcs-coming-to-iphone/
rakoo 3y ago
Because this story is about Apple ? What is good about whataboutism again ?

by riscy 3y ago

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tedd4u 3y ago

Apple says they will implement RCS in 2024. https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/16/23964171/apple-iphone-rcs-support https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/16/23964171/apple-iphone-rc...

legobmw99 3y ago
Without end to end encryption, because that is not part of the standard, as the grandparent comment said

nicoburns 3y ago

IMO they should also be made to open up. As should whatsapp and facebook messenger.

luma 3y ago
My suspicion is that someone like the EU made it clear to Apple that they would either interop or the EU would make them do so. They have finally relented to support RCS in the coming year.
- riscy 3y ago
  I'm glad it's happening. RCS finally got widespread carrier adoption (minus encryption) and it's a big improvement over SMS!

luma 3y ago

RCS is a spec ratified by the GSMA, the same standards body that specified things like SMS. Google tried to get Apple to do RCS, they refused, then Google tried to get a license to interop with iMessage and Apple refused again. Google has tried literally everything to try and get Apple to play ball here.

joshmanders 3y ago
> Google has tried literally everything to try and get Apple to play ball here. You're framing it in a nefarious way as if Apple is flat out denying it. They didn't. They would have to LOWER security in iPhones by implementing RCS because iMessages have E2EE but RCS doesn't. Which is something all you anti-Apple people seem to conveniently leave out, because you know nobody would take it seriously if you said it.
- xg15 3y ago
  Well I guess then they should let other people interop with iMessage directly, so the E2EE can be kept.
- ruszki 3y ago
  In the thread to which you replied, somebody mentioned that it’s possible to do that on top RCS, and Google already did it. If Apple wants to make their own encryption they can do it, nothing stops them. Interoperability would still be better, just like in the case of Google with other RCS solutions.
  - riscy 3y ago
    Please explain how interoperability between messaging apps is possible if two different, proprietary E2EE schemes are used atop RCS. Google's interop "solution" with the Samsung messages app is by not using encryption. Apple has that same level of support coming to iOS next year, and has also announced plans to work with GSMA on adding standardized encryption to RCS.
    - 3y ago

redhale 3y ago

You seem to be mistaken: https://9to5mac.com/2023/11/16/apple-rcs-coming-to-iphone/ https://9to5mac.com/2023/11/16/apple-rcs-coming-to-iphone/

rakoo 3y ago

Because this story is about Apple ? What is good about whataboutism again ?