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Yes, because what the market lacks is competition in the messaging space. There are only what, a dozen other options, at least half of which support E2E encrypt

Yes, because what the market lacks is competition in the messaging space. There are only what, a dozen other options, at least half of which support E2E encryption, audio/video, etc.

hedora 3y ago
Also, most of the benefit of iMessage is due to it being device locked (as in spammers have to burn through iPhones in order to bug people on it) and iOS integrations like apple pay, being able to send large photo and file attachments, FaceTime, etc. What does it even mean for Android to support iMessage if receiving images and videos means getting a non-url link to an iCloud photo (or synchronously transferring GBs at delivery time)?
- olliej 3y ago
  Also who is paying for all this? iMessage is not a free service
  - bloppe 3y ago
    Look at all the other free, premium messaging apps: WhatsApp, messenger, even Snapchat can do video conferencing. It doesn't cost that much to run a chat app. The wealthiest company in the world can afford to open up their API
- bloppe 3y ago
  How often do you get SMS spam? There would be nothing wrong if Apple added a little "this person bought an iPhone" icon to certain conversations. You could use that to scrutinize unknown numbers if you want. You don't need to have a crippled chat experience just to make that distinction. Also, you have to synchronously transfer GB when you watch the video anyway. How do you think iPhones play videos?
Mountain_Skies 3y ago
In the US, Apple holds 87% of the teen phone market and iMessage is bundled with the phone. You don't have to have 100% of a market to be a monopoly and Apple's policy of visually distinguishing users of iMessage from those using other platforms leverages peer pressure to ensure it continues to command the overwhelming majority of the teen market. Not sure how it is defensible to use minors developing social skills as a pattern for entrenching one's share of that market.
- hulitu 3y ago
  > In the US, Apple holds 87% of the teen phone market So people who do not afford to buy a loaf of bread, bought an iPhone. I think the problem lies somewhere else. "Daddy, i want an iPhone. Everyone has one". "Sorry, i don't pay 800 Euros for a toy to make phone calls and watch youtube"
  - seabrookmx 3y ago
    The teen phone market is the market of teens with phones. Those below the poverty line and unable to eat are likely not part of this market (ie: don't give their kids phones).

Yes, because what the market lacks is competition in the messaging space. There are only what, a dozen other options, at least half of which support E2E encryption, audio/video, etc.

hedora 3y ago

Also, most of the benefit of iMessage is due to it being device locked (as in spammers have to burn through iPhones in order to bug people on it) and iOS integrations like apple pay, being able to send large photo and file attachments, FaceTime, etc. What does it even mean for Android to support iMessage if receiving images and videos means getting a non-url link to an iCloud photo (or synchronously transferring GBs at delivery time)?

olliej 3y ago
Also who is paying for all this? iMessage is not a free service
- bloppe 3y ago
  Look at all the other free, premium messaging apps: WhatsApp, messenger, even Snapchat can do video conferencing. It doesn't cost that much to run a chat app. The wealthiest company in the world can afford to open up their API
bloppe 3y ago
How often do you get SMS spam? There would be nothing wrong if Apple added a little "this person bought an iPhone" icon to certain conversations. You could use that to scrutinize unknown numbers if you want. You don't need to have a crippled chat experience just to make that distinction. Also, you have to synchronously transfer GB when you watch the video anyway. How do you think iPhones play videos?

Mountain_Skies 3y ago

In the US, Apple holds 87% of the teen phone market and iMessage is bundled with the phone. You don't have to have 100% of a market to be a monopoly and Apple's policy of visually distinguishing users of iMessage from those using other platforms leverages peer pressure to ensure it continues to command the overwhelming majority of the teen market. Not sure how it is defensible to use minors developing social skills as a pattern for entrenching one's share of that market.

hulitu 3y ago
> In the US, Apple holds 87% of the teen phone market So people who do not afford to buy a loaf of bread, bought an iPhone. I think the problem lies somewhere else. "Daddy, i want an iPhone. Everyone has one". "Sorry, i don't pay 800 Euros for a toy to make phone calls and watch youtube"
- seabrookmx 3y ago
  The teen phone market is the market of teens with phones. Those below the poverty line and unable to eat are likely not part of this market (ie: don't give their kids phones).