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Not sure if I'd call that severe autism. That's psychopathic behavior, when you don't feel any remorse for your crimes.

thomastjeffery 3y ago
I don't feel remorse for his crimes. Am I a psychopath? Hacking a game company just so you can show people what is being worked on should not be a crime.
- ianhawes 3y ago
  He hacked a game company and threatened to release confidential information unless they paid a ransom.
  - thomastjeffery 3y ago
    I agree that the ransom was immoral, and probably should be criminal. Beyond that, I don't agree with any of this. If a company wants to keep secrets, then they are welcome to try. Let that be their responsibility.
- mise_en_place 3y ago
  The Rockstar breach was just one instance of criminal behavior. This individual is clearly dangerous and should not be allowed back into society. There is a pattern of blatant disregard of the law, it's not like he's a grey-hat or even black-hat security researcher.
  - thomastjeffery 3y ago
    Is it a disregard for the law, or a disagreement? The law is unjust to begin with. I don't blame anyone for breaking it twice. Would I recommend it? No. That doesn't mean I have to judge them for it. The scary behavior here is his violence; but that violence was clearly a reaction to the violence he was confronted with: being arrested and threatened. I'm not convinced that he is a threat to society. Sure, I can agree that it was wrong for him to react with violence. But what else could I reasonably expect from someone with Autism being punished for technically-illegal behavior? Have you ever spent more than 10 minutes with someone who has severe Autism? If you have, then you know not to expect them to be great at following arbitrary rules. That doesn't mean they have to be institutionalized! The solution to this problem is well-known: treatment. It's clear that that is not the goal in this case.
    - iimblack 3y ago
      > They also stole directly from individuals through their cryptocurrency wallets. Plus other hacks in the article.
      - thomastjeffery 3y ago
        OK, so prosecute him for fraud. I would totally support that. My criticism is that we aren't talking about fraud: we are talking about hacking. We are talking about legally-enforced secrets. We are talking about a violent reaction to being prosecuted for hacking. What if was about the fraud instead? Would his reaction be the violent then? We can never know. I'm supposed to be afraid to live in a society where this person participates. Afraid enough to sacrifice the rest of his life. I'm not convinced.
- hooverd 3y ago
  Not even the theft or blackmail?
  - thomastjeffery 3y ago
    Sure, but not a life sentence.
- arp242 3y ago
  It's my computer, or rockstar's computer, or whatever. You have no right to access any of it. Whether it's a stupid game or something serious doesn't matter; that's for me to decide, not you. The only exception here is good-faith intrusion testing and the like, but fundamentally: my property, none of your business, misusing my property is a crime.
- vunderba 3y ago
  This is a view shared by literally zero people. It is so lacking in basic reasoning and logic that it's almost frightening to see it on a normally more rational site like Hacker News. Let's change the wording around a bit. What makes hacking a "game company" exempt from normal ethics into breaking and entering? What if the "game company" consists of only a single employee who uses their personal laptop? Totally fine to break into their computer and steal their data right? Why stop at "game companies"? How about all companies? How about you? Why just computers? Remember that one time when you accidentally left your apartment window open, and then a "hacker" waltzed in and took pictures of all your personnel effects?
  - turquoisevar 3y ago
    > This is a view shared by literally zero people So you make a claim, and to try and pass that claim off as believable you change literally every parameter you can possibly change. GP said: > Hacking a game company just so you can show people what is being worked on should not be a crime. They didn’t say anything about hacking someone’s personal laptop to steal someone’s personal data. They didn’t say anything about hacking all companies, they didn’t say anything about themselves being hacked, they didn’t say anything about someone entering their home and stealing their shit. They said: > Hacking a game company just so you can show people what is being worked on should not be a crime. And just to prove you wrong, you can add me to the tally. Now it’s a view shared by at least two people.

I don't feel remorse for his crimes. Am I a psychopath? Hacking a game company just so you can show people what is being worked on should not be a crime.

ianhawes 3y ago
He hacked a game company and threatened to release confidential information unless they paid a ransom.
- thomastjeffery 3y ago
  I agree that the ransom was immoral, and probably should be criminal. Beyond that, I don't agree with any of this. If a company wants to keep secrets, then they are welcome to try. Let that be their responsibility.
mise_en_place 3y ago
The Rockstar breach was just one instance of criminal behavior. This individual is clearly dangerous and should not be allowed back into society. There is a pattern of blatant disregard of the law, it's not like he's a grey-hat or even black-hat security researcher.
- thomastjeffery 3y ago
  Is it a disregard for the law, or a disagreement? The law is unjust to begin with. I don't blame anyone for breaking it twice. Would I recommend it? No. That doesn't mean I have to judge them for it. The scary behavior here is his violence; but that violence was clearly a reaction to the violence he was confronted with: being arrested and threatened. I'm not convinced that he is a threat to society. Sure, I can agree that it was wrong for him to react with violence. But what else could I reasonably expect from someone with Autism being punished for technically-illegal behavior? Have you ever spent more than 10 minutes with someone who has severe Autism? If you have, then you know not to expect them to be great at following arbitrary rules. That doesn't mean they have to be institutionalized! The solution to this problem is well-known: treatment. It's clear that that is not the goal in this case.
  - iimblack 3y ago
    > They also stole directly from individuals through their cryptocurrency wallets. Plus other hacks in the article.
    - thomastjeffery 3y ago
      OK, so prosecute him for fraud. I would totally support that. My criticism is that we aren't talking about fraud: we are talking about hacking. We are talking about legally-enforced secrets. We are talking about a violent reaction to being prosecuted for hacking. What if was about the fraud instead? Would his reaction be the violent then? We can never know. I'm supposed to be afraid to live in a society where this person participates. Afraid enough to sacrifice the rest of his life. I'm not convinced.
hooverd 3y ago
Not even the theft or blackmail?
- thomastjeffery 3y ago
  Sure, but not a life sentence.
arp242 3y ago
It's my computer, or rockstar's computer, or whatever. You have no right to access any of it. Whether it's a stupid game or something serious doesn't matter; that's for me to decide, not you. The only exception here is good-faith intrusion testing and the like, but fundamentally: my property, none of your business, misusing my property is a crime.
vunderba 3y ago
This is a view shared by literally zero people. It is so lacking in basic reasoning and logic that it's almost frightening to see it on a normally more rational site like Hacker News. Let's change the wording around a bit. What makes hacking a "game company" exempt from normal ethics into breaking and entering? What if the "game company" consists of only a single employee who uses their personal laptop? Totally fine to break into their computer and steal their data right? Why stop at "game companies"? How about all companies? How about you? Why just computers? Remember that one time when you accidentally left your apartment window open, and then a "hacker" waltzed in and took pictures of all your personnel effects?
- turquoisevar 3y ago
  > This is a view shared by literally zero people So you make a claim, and to try and pass that claim off as believable you change literally every parameter you can possibly change. GP said: > Hacking a game company just so you can show people what is being worked on should not be a crime. They didn’t say anything about hacking someone’s personal laptop to steal someone’s personal data. They didn’t say anything about hacking all companies, they didn’t say anything about themselves being hacked, they didn’t say anything about someone entering their home and stealing their shit. They said: > Hacking a game company just so you can show people what is being worked on should not be a crime. And just to prove you wrong, you can add me to the tally. Now it’s a view shared by at least two people.