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There is an expectation here that this person will react to being arrested and imprisoned with patience; yet patience is not expected from literally anyone else

There is an expectation here that this person will react to being arrested and imprisoned with patience; yet patience is not expected from literally anyone else involved. It's abundantly clear that he is not being punished for harming people. He is being punished for not playing along. "Refusing to play along" is one of the most well known symptoms of Autism. This person is being punished for neurodivergence. I'm not even remotely OK with that.

subtra3t 3y ago
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crazygringo 3y ago
> yet patience is not expected from literally anyone else involved. Can you explain? The whole process has seemed pretty patient on all sides. This wasn't some overnight decision. I truly don't understand what you're trying to say, or how "patience" is relevant here at all.
- thomastjeffery 3y ago
  Patience isn't just about time. Sure they were willing to wait, but what were they waiting for? The result was pretty clear from the beginning.
  - crazygringo 3y ago
    I still don't know what any of that means. Then what is patience about? Who is "they"? What does it matter if people can guess at an outcome based on prior experience? I still don't know what you mean by "patience" and I still don't know what relevance it has here.
    - thomastjeffery 3y ago
      By "they", I mean everyone in this story except the defendant. I mean the justice system itself. "They" should be held to a high standard of expectations.
      - crazygringo 3y ago
        > "They" should be held to a high standard of expectations. OK, and the justice system is. It's full of professionals, processes, training, exams, appeals processes, etc. They are held to very high standards. Why do you say we don't expect patience from them, and why is that relevant? Legal professionals like lawyers and judges seem incredibly patient, as the processes they deal with generally take months and even years.
s1artibartfast 3y ago
Neurodivergence isn't a free pass to commit all the crimes you want. Lots of shooters are neurodivergent. That doesn't mean that society has to let them kill all they want.
- drewcoo 3y ago
  Neurodivergence is definitionally not understanding societal rules. Also known as laws. Neurodivergence is not a "free pass to commit crimes," but an excuse to be locked up by the authorities.
  - s1artibartfast 3y ago
    To be clear, they aren't being locked up for being neurodivergent. They are being locked up for committing crimes and refusing to stop if released. Sure, not committing crimes is part of "playing the game", but it is a game you must play to go free. If someone can't avoid sufficiently severe crime, that is a completely valid reason to lock someone up. It doesn't matter if they can help it or not
- thomastjeffery 3y ago
  If course it isn't. Neurodivergence is a reality. Our justice system can do better than be ignorant of it. Our justice system can do better than to escalate its symptoms. As a participant in democracy, I will accept no lower standard for justice. This person wasn't killing people. He was looking at secrets. There are people who don't understand that murder is wrong, and those people need to be institutionalized for the safety of everyone else. He isn't one of them.
  - s1artibartfast 3y ago
    This person was robbing and blackmailing people. The justice system serves to prevent these actions, and should do so no matter what the mental state of the criminal is. Is your honest solution just to let them continue doing that as an accommodation for their disability?

subtra3t 3y ago

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crazygringo 3y ago

> yet patience is not expected from literally anyone else involved. Can you explain? The whole process has seemed pretty patient on all sides. This wasn't some overnight decision. I truly don't understand what you're trying to say, or how "patience" is relevant here at all.

thomastjeffery 3y ago
Patience isn't just about time. Sure they were willing to wait, but what were they waiting for? The result was pretty clear from the beginning.
- crazygringo 3y ago
  I still don't know what any of that means. Then what is patience about? Who is "they"? What does it matter if people can guess at an outcome based on prior experience? I still don't know what you mean by "patience" and I still don't know what relevance it has here.
  - thomastjeffery 3y ago
    By "they", I mean everyone in this story except the defendant. I mean the justice system itself. "They" should be held to a high standard of expectations.
    - crazygringo 3y ago
      > "They" should be held to a high standard of expectations. OK, and the justice system is. It's full of professionals, processes, training, exams, appeals processes, etc. They are held to very high standards. Why do you say we don't expect patience from them, and why is that relevant? Legal professionals like lawyers and judges seem incredibly patient, as the processes they deal with generally take months and even years.

s1artibartfast 3y ago

Neurodivergence isn't a free pass to commit all the crimes you want. Lots of shooters are neurodivergent. That doesn't mean that society has to let them kill all they want.

drewcoo 3y ago
Neurodivergence is definitionally not understanding societal rules. Also known as laws. Neurodivergence is not a "free pass to commit crimes," but an excuse to be locked up by the authorities.
- s1artibartfast 3y ago
  To be clear, they aren't being locked up for being neurodivergent. They are being locked up for committing crimes and refusing to stop if released. Sure, not committing crimes is part of "playing the game", but it is a game you must play to go free. If someone can't avoid sufficiently severe crime, that is a completely valid reason to lock someone up. It doesn't matter if they can help it or not
thomastjeffery 3y ago
If course it isn't. Neurodivergence is a reality. Our justice system can do better than be ignorant of it. Our justice system can do better than to escalate its symptoms. As a participant in democracy, I will accept no lower standard for justice. This person wasn't killing people. He was looking at secrets. There are people who don't understand that murder is wrong, and those people need to be institutionalized for the safety of everyone else. He isn't one of them.
- s1artibartfast 3y ago
  This person was robbing and blackmailing people. The justice system serves to prevent these actions, and should do so no matter what the mental state of the criminal is. Is your honest solution just to let them continue doing that as an accommodation for their disability?