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Life in prison for up to $10m in damages? At first I thought the number must be off by a factor of 10. I couldn’t help but see Dr Evil for a moment. These are

Life in prison for up to $10m in damages? At first I thought the number must be off by a factor of 10. I couldn’t help but see Dr Evil for a moment. These are at best property crimes, and while the sums are non trivial, sentencing children to indefinite imprisonment for a nonviolent crime against a megacorp is unconscionable.

Nextgrid 3y ago
> against a megacorp That's the only reason he's punished. A lot more than 10M gets stolen regularly across various online scams but nothing gets done about those since they primarily target the common man and not a large, culturally-relevant company (I'd argue his targeting of BT/EE has a lot of influence in the outcome).
TriangleEdge 3y ago
Seem to me like the prosecution is irrationally scared of something they don't understand. When personal data is leaked, no one gives a shit. I got downvoted to smithereens for commenting on HN that I thought the post about Steve Wozniac being in the hospital was perverted. But if you leak something from a business, then life in prison? People value their life at about $10m. There's a video I found interesting on a YT channel called practical engineering. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQbaVdge7kU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQbaVdge7kU.
golergka 3y ago
No, not life in prison. Detention in a psychiatric hospital for an autistic person who is violently attacking other people. > dozens of reports of injury or property damage
- SpaghettiCthulu 3y ago
  "Reports", not evidence.
- zymhan 3y ago
  "indefinite detention" as well, meaning the duration is not defined, but it's "infinite detention". However, the article was definitely updated at some point, as others in the thread have pointed out. I read it earlier today and it did state life in detention. That is certainly not helping the discussion out, unfortunately.
  - dghlsakjg 3y ago
    The detention is of indefinite length, but has clear conditions for his release, which is what a lot of people seem to be missing.
- BobaFloutist 3y ago
  Though we don't consider it such, because we accept that police are needed to maintain some level of order and it's not good when people resist arrest, the violence was more or less in self-defense. I think there's a huge difference between someone (especially someone with "severe autism") lashing out when getting more or less abducted and removed from a familiar environment by force (even if we'd prefer they stay calm) and someone attacking someone else out of the blue. What do you want to bet they didn't follow best practices for arresting an autistic person?
  - jamespo 3y ago
    Source for these claims?
    - BobaFloutist 3y ago
      Which claim? My comment was almost entirely opinion.
  - fnordpiglet 3y ago
    At least state side resisting arrest can be stopping an officers fist with your head, or putting your hands up to block being hit. The bar is so low and the penalties can be absurdly high, including felony charges in many states. It’s basically a way of enhancing charges or creating charges where there’s not enough evidence to produce other charges, and almost always used as a plea bargain cudgel.
alephnerd 3y ago
From the article: > judge described as "unpleasant and frightening pattern of stalking and harassment" of two young women
- fnordpiglet 3y ago
  That was committed by his accomplice, who seems to have gotten a mild punishment.
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onlyrealcuzzo 3y ago
It's really interesting that if a company causes $10M in damages to people, they get a fine and no one is actually punished. If a person causes $10M in damages to a company, they go to jail for life. It's almost as if the justice system is less focused on being "just" and more focused on serving a class of people.

Nextgrid 3y ago

> against a megacorp That's the only reason he's punished. A lot more than 10M gets stolen regularly across various online scams but nothing gets done about those since they primarily target the common man and not a large, culturally-relevant company (I'd argue his targeting of BT/EE has a lot of influence in the outcome).

TriangleEdge 3y ago

Seem to me like the prosecution is irrationally scared of something they don't understand. When personal data is leaked, no one gives a shit. I got downvoted to smithereens for commenting on HN that I thought the post about Steve Wozniac being in the hospital was perverted. But if you leak something from a business, then life in prison? People value their life at about $10m. There's a video I found interesting on a YT channel called practical engineering. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQbaVdge7kU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQbaVdge7kU.

golergka 3y ago

No, not life in prison. Detention in a psychiatric hospital for an autistic person who is violently attacking other people. > dozens of reports of injury or property damage

SpaghettiCthulu 3y ago
"Reports", not evidence.
zymhan 3y ago
"indefinite detention" as well, meaning the duration is not defined, but it's "infinite detention". However, the article was definitely updated at some point, as others in the thread have pointed out. I read it earlier today and it did state life in detention. That is certainly not helping the discussion out, unfortunately.
- dghlsakjg 3y ago
  The detention is of indefinite length, but has clear conditions for his release, which is what a lot of people seem to be missing.
BobaFloutist 3y ago
Though we don't consider it such, because we accept that police are needed to maintain some level of order and it's not good when people resist arrest, the violence was more or less in self-defense. I think there's a huge difference between someone (especially someone with "severe autism") lashing out when getting more or less abducted and removed from a familiar environment by force (even if we'd prefer they stay calm) and someone attacking someone else out of the blue. What do you want to bet they didn't follow best practices for arresting an autistic person?
- jamespo 3y ago
  Source for these claims?
  - BobaFloutist 3y ago
    Which claim? My comment was almost entirely opinion.
- fnordpiglet 3y ago
  At least state side resisting arrest can be stopping an officers fist with your head, or putting your hands up to block being hit. The bar is so low and the penalties can be absurdly high, including felony charges in many states. It’s basically a way of enhancing charges or creating charges where there’s not enough evidence to produce other charges, and almost always used as a plea bargain cudgel.

alephnerd 3y ago

From the article: > judge described as "unpleasant and frightening pattern of stalking and harassment" of two young women

fnordpiglet 3y ago
That was committed by his accomplice, who seems to have gotten a mild punishment.

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onlyrealcuzzo 3y ago

It's really interesting that if a company causes $10M in damages to people, they get a fine and no one is actually punished. If a person causes $10M in damages to a company, they go to jail for life. It's almost as if the justice system is less focused on being "just" and more focused on serving a class of people.