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I don't think this is fair. Another underage person found guilty of the same hacks got an 18-month rehabilitation order. This basically means severe restriction

by neilkk 3y ago

I don't think this is fair. Another underage person found guilty of the same hacks got an 18-month rehabilitation order. This basically means severe restrictions on going out and computer use together with involvement and monitoring by social workers. This seems perfectly appropriate. They're not having decades of their life taken away from them, and they're not locked up with hardened criminals who would either victimise them or teach them to be much worse. The indefinite order is because the kid committed multiple assaults and other violent acts while under observation in a mental hospital. Doctors don't believe he can be released in the foreseeable future. If you were arrested for unpaid parking tickets and then demonstrated threatening, violent and out-of-control behaviour while in police custody, then in a secure unit, you might get a similar indefinite order.

ipaddr 3y ago
In what world do you live in where getting too many parking tickets and causing violence gets you life in prison until an unknown paid state employee decides you took all non-necessary meds and drank the kool-aid? If someone was killed they would get out a certain date. The judge should have to suffer the same fate before he can order this.
- s1artibartfast 3y ago
  If someone openly and repeatedly said they plan to kill more as soon as they are released, they would be in a similar situation. It is pretty rare that the convinced don't at least lie about intentions to commit more crime
- neilkk 3y ago
  > If someone was killed they would get out a certain date. No, there are lots of people (in the United States) doing life without the possibility of parole. There are many people who will never be released from solitary confinement. Some of these people were incarcerated for fairly trivial crimes and all subsequent punishment was for acts committed while in prison. What do you think happens to people who repeatedly cause injury to corrections officers, attempt to sexually assault them or infect them with HIV, etc? They are eventually put in solitary for life. Some people will never be released from prison because of single acts which they have never repeated, but also are not willing to ever show (real or simulated) remorse for. The system for people with severe mental health problems who commit repeated acts of violence works differently but is similar in its effects. Some of those people never get out, and they knew with decades of life left that they would never get out. In the UK, there are many quite high bars before a criminal convict can be incarcerated forever without chance of release. But it's much easier to block release forever from someone who is insane and considered dangerous. The system for sex offenders works in a very similar way in some places. Some sex offenders, not the worst offenders, can be in a situation where they will never be allowed out, or being allowed out is so unlikely that it will never be worth it to them to spend years complying in order to attempt to be released. Most jurisdictions have some method by which a person who a) did something to get them within the system, b) committed repeated assaults or threats while within the system and c) did not show that they had radically changed their attitude, will never get out. The details vary but they always exist. My suspicion is that in most places, people in this situation vary from almost harmless: suffered bad luck and a lack of comprehension from decision makers to extremely dangerous: very hard to imagine how they could ever not be an extreme threat to innocent people outside of incarceration.
  - baybal2 3y ago
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by neilkk 3y ago

ipaddr 3y ago

In what world do you live in where getting too many parking tickets and causing violence gets you life in prison until an unknown paid state employee decides you took all non-necessary meds and drank the kool-aid? If someone was killed they would get out a certain date. The judge should have to suffer the same fate before he can order this.

s1artibartfast 3y ago
If someone openly and repeatedly said they plan to kill more as soon as they are released, they would be in a similar situation. It is pretty rare that the convinced don't at least lie about intentions to commit more crime
neilkk 3y ago
> If someone was killed they would get out a certain date. No, there are lots of people (in the United States) doing life without the possibility of parole. There are many people who will never be released from solitary confinement. Some of these people were incarcerated for fairly trivial crimes and all subsequent punishment was for acts committed while in prison. What do you think happens to people who repeatedly cause injury to corrections officers, attempt to sexually assault them or infect them with HIV, etc? They are eventually put in solitary for life. Some people will never be released from prison because of single acts which they have never repeated, but also are not willing to ever show (real or simulated) remorse for. The system for people with severe mental health problems who commit repeated acts of violence works differently but is similar in its effects. Some of those people never get out, and they knew with decades of life left that they would never get out. In the UK, there are many quite high bars before a criminal convict can be incarcerated forever without chance of release. But it's much easier to block release forever from someone who is insane and considered dangerous. The system for sex offenders works in a very similar way in some places. Some sex offenders, not the worst offenders, can be in a situation where they will never be allowed out, or being allowed out is so unlikely that it will never be worth it to them to spend years complying in order to attempt to be released. Most jurisdictions have some method by which a person who a) did something to get them within the system, b) committed repeated assaults or threats while within the system and c) did not show that they had radically changed their attitude, will never get out. The details vary but they always exist. My suspicion is that in most places, people in this situation vary from almost harmless: suffered bad luck and a lack of comprehension from decision makers to extremely dangerous: very hard to imagine how they could ever not be an extreme threat to innocent people outside of incarceration.
- baybal2 3y ago
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