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Did you miss the part about assaulting staff and property destruction. What about the part where he continued hacking after being busted the first time and rel

Did you miss the part about assaulting staff and property destruction. What about the part where he continued hacking after being busted the first time and released on bail. Its pretty clear that the kid poses a danger and doesn't understand that he needs to stop. This isn't a youthful prank/indiscretion that went too far. This kid was on trial for causing millions in damages, and then did it again while on trial. Yeah, institutionalizing people has a horrendous history, but this kid is incredibly destructive, and has proven that cannot control himself or will go out of his way to do the wrong thing. The only viable alternative to a supervised medical setting is jail for him.

serialNumber 3y ago
being sentenced to life for hacking is out of proportion
- dghlsakjg 3y ago
  He wasn’t sentenced to life. He was ordered to remain under supervised medical care until a doctor determines that he is mentally fit to stop causing harm. This is as a result of both his hacking, his assaults on caretakers and destruction of physical property. He also told the court that if he was released he would go right back to doing crimes.
  - RecycledEle 3y ago
    > He was ordered to remain under supervised medical care until a doctor determines that he is mentally fit to stop causing harm. What if his moral code is correct, and the court's moral code is wrong? (maybe it should be called the cult's moral code?)
thomastjeffery 3y ago
Just because a company chooses to spend millions of dollars to "repair" damage does not mean that the damage itself should be valued the same. We are talking about companies with tens or hundreds of billions of dollars at their disposal. An executive could choose to spend $5 million on anything: that doesn't make the thing that valuable.
- dghlsakjg 3y ago
  Ok. Ignore the dollar amount. His actions have physically injured people, destroyed property, and caused hundreds or thousands of people to spend otherwise productive time on fixing things. This wasn’t some hacker poking around because he could. He was stealing assets and then trying to ransom them back. He also just straight up stole crypto.
  - mschuster91 3y ago
    > This wasn’t some hacker poking around because he could. He was stealing assets and then trying to ransom them back. If he managed to do that using nothing more than a TV and an Android device, I have absolutely zero sympathy with his victims. In the end, I'd even classify that as a public service, getting these companies to up their security game at least to some standard. > He also just straight up stole crypto. And here I have even less sympathy. I have grown to hate anything crypto-currency with a passion, simply because it's even more enticing to criminals than a locked safe room full of diamonds. Don't get me wrong: It's still not correct what he did. Lock him up in prison like every other random criminal. But it's not "lock him up for life"-worthy, not by any means.
    - selfhoster11 3y ago
      Saying that you have no sympathy for their assets being stolen just because they chose to use a form of store of value you disapprove of, shows a great lack of empathy. What does it matter what form your wealth takes? Whether it's in a bank, in cash, in gold, or in cryptocurrency is an unimportant detail. What matters is that you have every right to keep possession of it.
  - thomastjeffery 3y ago
    OK, then prosecute him for those things. Theft and blackmail are already crimes. Don't give him a life sentence for sharing secrets. Don't ask me to pretend that isn't what this is about.
    - 3y ago
wolverine876 3y ago
> this kid is incredibly destructive Incredibly? There are many kids that age who murder and commit other serious felonies.
- dghlsakjg 3y ago
  Hundreds of thousands of man hours have been spent at the companies he hacked and in the justice system on his behalf. If you were the one whose crypto account he cleared out, or one of the people responsible for cleaning up after him, or even one of the lawyers trying to defend some idiot who tells the court he plans on committing more crimes as soon as he is released you might feel different. Do you think any of these people wanted to spend their time on this, that otherwise important things weren't delayed and sidelined? Do you think that the people he stole crypto enjoy having to work extra hours to make up for what he stole? His crimes weren't victimless, and plenty of real people were impacted in serious ways. This wasn't some kid who pushed his computer skills a little too far and went somewhere he shouldn't. He engaged in an international conspiracy to extort millions using stolen data. There are kids that age who commit murder and other serious crimes, and they should face consequences just like he is. But the grand majority of kids that age get through life without committing any serious crime at all.
  - cf1241290841 3y ago
    From an IT security perspective this sounds detached from reality to me. If one kid can do this to your organization, someone isnt doing their job. Given economic competitors, hostile nation state actors and the possible stock market impacts, this isnt a matter of people having had better things to do. They had this to do and they didnt. The resulting extra cost is how you get your company to fix these things. Yes its hard, no it doesnt mean you get to ignore it because police will handle it. Not a moral argument but a very practical one. If somebody like that manages to find a hole in your process big enough to exploit yet dumb enough to get caught you should feel really lucky that nothing worse happened (that you know of) with the hole you just got notified you had all along.
    - 3y ago

serialNumber 3y ago

being sentenced to life for hacking is out of proportion

dghlsakjg 3y ago
He wasn’t sentenced to life. He was ordered to remain under supervised medical care until a doctor determines that he is mentally fit to stop causing harm. This is as a result of both his hacking, his assaults on caretakers and destruction of physical property. He also told the court that if he was released he would go right back to doing crimes.
- RecycledEle 3y ago
  > He was ordered to remain under supervised medical care until a doctor determines that he is mentally fit to stop causing harm. What if his moral code is correct, and the court's moral code is wrong? (maybe it should be called the cult's moral code?)

thomastjeffery 3y ago

Just because a company chooses to spend millions of dollars to "repair" damage does not mean that the damage itself should be valued the same. We are talking about companies with tens or hundreds of billions of dollars at their disposal. An executive could choose to spend $5 million on anything: that doesn't make the thing that valuable.

dghlsakjg 3y ago
Ok. Ignore the dollar amount. His actions have physically injured people, destroyed property, and caused hundreds or thousands of people to spend otherwise productive time on fixing things. This wasn’t some hacker poking around because he could. He was stealing assets and then trying to ransom them back. He also just straight up stole crypto.
- mschuster91 3y ago
  > This wasn’t some hacker poking around because he could. He was stealing assets and then trying to ransom them back. If he managed to do that using nothing more than a TV and an Android device, I have absolutely zero sympathy with his victims. In the end, I'd even classify that as a public service, getting these companies to up their security game at least to some standard. > He also just straight up stole crypto. And here I have even less sympathy. I have grown to hate anything crypto-currency with a passion, simply because it's even more enticing to criminals than a locked safe room full of diamonds. Don't get me wrong: It's still not correct what he did. Lock him up in prison like every other random criminal. But it's not "lock him up for life"-worthy, not by any means.
  - selfhoster11 3y ago
    Saying that you have no sympathy for their assets being stolen just because they chose to use a form of store of value you disapprove of, shows a great lack of empathy. What does it matter what form your wealth takes? Whether it's in a bank, in cash, in gold, or in cryptocurrency is an unimportant detail. What matters is that you have every right to keep possession of it.
- thomastjeffery 3y ago
  OK, then prosecute him for those things. Theft and blackmail are already crimes. Don't give him a life sentence for sharing secrets. Don't ask me to pretend that isn't what this is about.
  - 3y ago

wolverine876 3y ago

> this kid is incredibly destructive Incredibly? There are many kids that age who murder and commit other serious felonies.

dghlsakjg 3y ago
Hundreds of thousands of man hours have been spent at the companies he hacked and in the justice system on his behalf. If you were the one whose crypto account he cleared out, or one of the people responsible for cleaning up after him, or even one of the lawyers trying to defend some idiot who tells the court he plans on committing more crimes as soon as he is released you might feel different. Do you think any of these people wanted to spend their time on this, that otherwise important things weren't delayed and sidelined? Do you think that the people he stole crypto enjoy having to work extra hours to make up for what he stole? His crimes weren't victimless, and plenty of real people were impacted in serious ways. This wasn't some kid who pushed his computer skills a little too far and went somewhere he shouldn't. He engaged in an international conspiracy to extort millions using stolen data. There are kids that age who commit murder and other serious crimes, and they should face consequences just like he is. But the grand majority of kids that age get through life without committing any serious crime at all.
- cf1241290841 3y ago
  From an IT security perspective this sounds detached from reality to me. If one kid can do this to your organization, someone isnt doing their job. Given economic competitors, hostile nation state actors and the possible stock market impacts, this isnt a matter of people having had better things to do. They had this to do and they didnt. The resulting extra cost is how you get your company to fix these things. Yes its hard, no it doesnt mean you get to ignore it because police will handle it. Not a moral argument but a very practical one. If somebody like that manages to find a hole in your process big enough to exploit yet dumb enough to get caught you should feel really lucky that nothing worse happened (that you know of) with the hole you just got notified you had all along.
  - 3y ago