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The headline glosses over "The court heard that Kurtaj had been violent while in custody with dozens of reports of injury or property damage."

by A_Duck 3y ago

DonHopkins 3y ago
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- Der_Einzige 3y ago
  Oh shit, okay his sentence makes sense. Somehow I missed this part of the article.
  - brvsft 3y ago
    Are you being facetious? Stalking and harassment alone wouldn't justify a life sentence.
- CodesInChaos 3y ago
  Isn't that part talking about the 17 year old other member of lapsus$ who received the 18 month long Youth Rehabilitation Order?
- loeg 3y ago
  That sentence is not talking about the headline hacker (Kurtaj).
thomastjeffery 3y ago
Custody is violence. Most people respond with patience, because they understand deescalation is their best move. This person has Autism. I think it's not a leap to conclude that he simply doesn't understand that deescalation is the right move. He may not even realize or totally comprehend that deescalation is an option! If you want to convince me this person is a menace to society, then talk about his behavior before being arrested. What did he do then? Oh, that's right, he shared video of an unreleased game... Why should I, or any other person feel threatened?
- LorenPechtel 3y ago
  I agree he doesn't understand--that's why he's in a mental hospital. He can't understand how to behave in society.
  - thomastjeffery 3y ago
    Can society understand how to behave around him? Has society even tried? I'm not working to give up that easily. This is a person with the rest of his life ahead of him; and that life has been locked in a room, and declared his responsibility.
    - 15457345234 3y ago
      All you're doing, in this interaction, is questioning endlessly. You don't have any proposals. How do you propose, exactly, that society handle a person that openly admits that they'll do whatever they see fit and decide for themselves what rules they'll follow? And we're not talking about minor rules and infractions, we're talking about major ones like 'don't be violent' and 'don't stalk and terrorize women' and 'don't run a doxxing website' and 'don't extort and steal' Answer me this: _why_ does society need to 'understand how to behave around him' ? What's the benefit to society? The guy stands up in court and basically says 'yeah I don't have any remorse and I'm gonna keep doing it because I don't think it's wrong' - why do we need to try and understand that more?
      - SpaghettiCthulu 3y ago
        > 'don't be violent' The only evidence for this is heresay by the prosecutors. > 'don't stalk and terrorize women' As has been pointed out by others in this thread, that was a different person. Go read the article again. > 'don't run a doxxing website' You've got me there. But I don't think that comes even close to justifying an indefinite sentance. > 'don't extort and steal' Yeah, he shouldn't have done that. But as I said before, it does not at all justify an indefinite sentance. > The guy stands up in court and basically says 'yeah I don't have any remorse and I'm gonna keep doing it because I don't think it's wrong' - why do we need to try and understand that more? That is completely false. He is never quoted as saying anything to that effect. Rather, this is the closest thing we get: > A mental health assessment used as part of the sentencing hearing said he "continued to express the intent to return to cyber-crime as soon as possible. He is highly motivated." Perhaps the question should be what about cyber-crime he is motivated by. There is no indication that the motivation is anything malicious. It may be thrill that he is motivated by. If that's the case, it should be treated as an struggle with addiction, not evil.

The headline glosses over "The court heard that Kurtaj had been violent while in custody with dozens of reports of injury or property damage."

by A_Duck 3y ago

The headline glosses over "The court heard that Kurtaj had been violent while in custody with dozens of reports of injury or property damage."

DonHopkins 3y ago

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Der_Einzige 3y ago
Oh shit, okay his sentence makes sense. Somehow I missed this part of the article.
- brvsft 3y ago
  Are you being facetious? Stalking and harassment alone wouldn't justify a life sentence.
CodesInChaos 3y ago
Isn't that part talking about the 17 year old other member of lapsus$ who received the 18 month long Youth Rehabilitation Order?
loeg 3y ago
That sentence is not talking about the headline hacker (Kurtaj).

thomastjeffery 3y ago

Custody is violence. Most people respond with patience, because they understand deescalation is their best move. This person has Autism. I think it's not a leap to conclude that he simply doesn't understand that deescalation is the right move. He may not even realize or totally comprehend that deescalation is an option! If you want to convince me this person is a menace to society, then talk about his behavior before being arrested. What did he do then? Oh, that's right, he shared video of an unreleased game... Why should I, or any other person feel threatened?

LorenPechtel 3y ago
I agree he doesn't understand--that's why he's in a mental hospital. He can't understand how to behave in society.
- thomastjeffery 3y ago
  Can society understand how to behave around him? Has society even tried? I'm not working to give up that easily. This is a person with the rest of his life ahead of him; and that life has been locked in a room, and declared his responsibility.
  - 15457345234 3y ago
    All you're doing, in this interaction, is questioning endlessly. You don't have any proposals. How do you propose, exactly, that society handle a person that openly admits that they'll do whatever they see fit and decide for themselves what rules they'll follow? And we're not talking about minor rules and infractions, we're talking about major ones like 'don't be violent' and 'don't stalk and terrorize women' and 'don't run a doxxing website' and 'don't extort and steal' Answer me this: _why_ does society need to 'understand how to behave around him' ? What's the benefit to society? The guy stands up in court and basically says 'yeah I don't have any remorse and I'm gonna keep doing it because I don't think it's wrong' - why do we need to try and understand that more?
    - SpaghettiCthulu 3y ago
      > 'don't be violent' The only evidence for this is heresay by the prosecutors. > 'don't stalk and terrorize women' As has been pointed out by others in this thread, that was a different person. Go read the article again. > 'don't run a doxxing website' You've got me there. But I don't think that comes even close to justifying an indefinite sentance. > 'don't extort and steal' Yeah, he shouldn't have done that. But as I said before, it does not at all justify an indefinite sentance. > The guy stands up in court and basically says 'yeah I don't have any remorse and I'm gonna keep doing it because I don't think it's wrong' - why do we need to try and understand that more? That is completely false. He is never quoted as saying anything to that effect. Rather, this is the closest thing we get: > A mental health assessment used as part of the sentencing hearing said he "continued to express the intent to return to cyber-crime as soon as possible. He is highly motivated." Perhaps the question should be what about cyber-crime he is motivated by. There is no indication that the motivation is anything malicious. It may be thrill that he is motivated by. If that's the case, it should be treated as an struggle with addiction, not evil.