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and you blame Israel and not hamas? why?

by gryzzly 3y ago

qwertthrowway 3y ago
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- gryzzly 3y ago
  Yes, Hamas is doing that! They keep the hostages, and hide in tunnels not letting the civilian population to shelter from bombs in there. They prevent movement of civilian population out of the danger area, they use humanitarian areas for launching rockets, they are using hospitals as their command centers and for keeping hostages in them. Yes, they are the ones "flattening cityscapes". And they, again, refused a ceasefire offer yesterday.
mablopoule 3y ago
You can blame both, it's not either/or. Hamas is a terrorist group that makes everything it can do to threaten Israel, and has no regard to Palestinian lives. In the same time, it's getting harder and harder to turn a blind eye to the blatant disregard of Palestinian lives and casualty from Israel. There is a notion of proportionality in war [1], and Israel's willingness to kill civilians is simply inexcusable at this point. Sure you can say that Hamas use civilians as a shield, and you'll be right, that doesn't give the other side a free pass to bomb an incredibly dense zone of already-displaced people. Even Rony Brauman, the ex-director of Doctors Without Borders said in an interview recently that it's one of the first times they seen intense bombing on a population who couldn't even flee the zone, and at this point Gaza was a mass grave of kids [2]. Israel absolutely does have a right to defend itself, but that doesn't give them a free pass for everything, and right now they are actively undermining their claim on being a democracy with respect on humans right. [1] https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/assessing-israel-s-approach-to-proportionality-in-the-conduct-of-hostilities-in-gaza https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/assessing-israel-s-appr... [2] (french) https://pca.st/episode/acfb00a6-2392-454c-a1e0-710ae4df6552 https://pca.st/episode/acfb00a6-2392-454c-a1e0-710ae4df6552
- gryzzly 3y ago
  This is the criticism I will accept, and want to see and hear. I want Netanyahu in jail, Smotrich and Ben-Gvir in jail, I want the settlers who destroy the lives of West Bank farmers to be in the same jail where hamas fighters are. I want the world to demand the rules of war to be kept, I want the world to ask Israel to provide evidence, I want the army to do better on preventing civilian deaths, but to say that Israel’s "end game is to kill palestinians" is not an acceptable form of discussion.

and you blame Israel and not hamas? why?

qwertthrowway 3y ago

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gryzzly 3y ago
Yes, Hamas is doing that! They keep the hostages, and hide in tunnels not letting the civilian population to shelter from bombs in there. They prevent movement of civilian population out of the danger area, they use humanitarian areas for launching rockets, they are using hospitals as their command centers and for keeping hostages in them. Yes, they are the ones "flattening cityscapes". And they, again, refused a ceasefire offer yesterday.

mablopoule 3y ago

You can blame both, it's not either/or. Hamas is a terrorist group that makes everything it can do to threaten Israel, and has no regard to Palestinian lives. In the same time, it's getting harder and harder to turn a blind eye to the blatant disregard of Palestinian lives and casualty from Israel. There is a notion of proportionality in war [1], and Israel's willingness to kill civilians is simply inexcusable at this point. Sure you can say that Hamas use civilians as a shield, and you'll be right, that doesn't give the other side a free pass to bomb an incredibly dense zone of already-displaced people. Even Rony Brauman, the ex-director of Doctors Without Borders said in an interview recently that it's one of the first times they seen intense bombing on a population who couldn't even flee the zone, and at this point Gaza was a mass grave of kids [2]. Israel absolutely does have a right to defend itself, but that doesn't give them a free pass for everything, and right now they are actively undermining their claim on being a democracy with respect on humans right. [1] https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/assessing-israel-s-approach-to-proportionality-in-the-conduct-of-hostilities-in-gaza https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/assessing-israel-s-appr... [2] (french) https://pca.st/episode/acfb00a6-2392-454c-a1e0-710ae4df6552 https://pca.st/episode/acfb00a6-2392-454c-a1e0-710ae4df6552

gryzzly 3y ago
This is the criticism I will accept, and want to see and hear. I want Netanyahu in jail, Smotrich and Ben-Gvir in jail, I want the settlers who destroy the lives of West Bank farmers to be in the same jail where hamas fighters are. I want the world to demand the rules of war to be kept, I want the world to ask Israel to provide evidence, I want the army to do better on preventing civilian deaths, but to say that Israel’s "end game is to kill palestinians" is not an acceptable form of discussion.