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Because there's two things going on. There's the autonomous driving technology which is god damn amazing and a huge technical achievement even if it only works

by Spivak 3y ago

Because there's two things going on. There's the autonomous driving technology which is god damn amazing and a huge technical achievement even if it only works in ideal conditions. Then there's the sheisters trying to sell that technology and convince governments that "for safety" people should be required to buy their product. Poking holes in the technology is people's natural response to the very real fear that their ability to operate a vehicle that isn't literally controlled by a huge corporation will be taken away. The technology is amazing, humans suck. You see the same thing with EVs, rather than it being a purely positive thing that the market has more options for people with different driving patterns you have governments committing to banning the sale of new ICE cars when the deployment is literally in its infancy

hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
> Then there's the sheisters trying to sell that technology and convince governments that "for safety" people should be required to buy their product. That feels like a massive straw man. I'm not aware of anyone at this point, or with any plans, to require the use of autonomous vehicles. > You see the same thing with EVs, rather than it being a purely positive thing that the market has more options for people with different driving patterns you have governments committing to banning the sale of new ICE cars when the deployment is literally in its infancy That also doesn't make sense to me. Governments don't want to push to EVs because the tech is some nirvana or something, but continued use of ICE vehicles is a large contributor to climate change and we have very limited time to address that.
- jeffbee 3y ago
  You have to recognize these as the right-wing dogwhistles that they are. The idea that autonomous driving and vehicle electrification are control strategies by an oppressive deep state are constantly pushed on far-right social media.
  - porkbeer 3y ago
    Why does it matter what people push that idea if there is some truth to it?
  - rajup 3y ago
    > autonomous driving and vehicle electrification are control strategies by an oppressive deep state Wait.. what? That’s definitely a new one to me…
    - jeffbee 3y ago
      Starter pack: https://www.tiktok.com/find/real-agenda-behind-electric-cars https://www.tiktok.com/find/real-agenda-behind-electric-cars
  - Spivak 3y ago
    Welp, I'm as left as they come in these parts. Literally a card carrying socialist so I'm not consciously dog whistling anything. Tech is already inundated with corporations using technology to maintain an iron grip on their products against their users interest and I'm just sad to see that autonomous driving seems to be the excuse to extend this grip further with always-on connectivity that you can't turn off "for safety" that will also conveniently used for even more tracking. I don't think it will be used for population control or anything like that but I expect it will be expand the already existing police remote shutdown. Autonomous cars that are truly autonomous would be amazing. But what I fear we'll get is DrivingAsAService and regulatory capture.
    - jeffbee 3y ago
      > I'm as left as they come I am pleased to introduce you to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory
      - Spivak 3y ago
        I thought about that when I wrote that but I ended up landing on that it didn't apply because I'm not anywhere near right-wing social media and had no idea this was even a conspiracy. I was just like the last thing in the universe I want is for a company to exercise Apple like control over my car. And despite making no logical sense companies seem to be using EVs and self-driving as an excuse to create artificial lock-in and add even more data collection. New and "different" seems to mean you're allowed to break consumer expectations for the worse.
- shkkmo 3y ago
  I assume this is referring to how Europe requires new vehicles be sold with automatic emergency braking. If we do reach a point where self driving systems consistently outperfom humans in term or safety, I would absolutely expect a push to atleast require it in new vehicles if not some form of new law to push people towards using that technology. Personally, I find that idea attractive but I understand why people would fear it.

by Spivak 3y ago

hn_throwaway_99 3y ago

> Then there's the sheisters trying to sell that technology and convince governments that "for safety" people should be required to buy their product. That feels like a massive straw man. I'm not aware of anyone at this point, or with any plans, to require the use of autonomous vehicles. > You see the same thing with EVs, rather than it being a purely positive thing that the market has more options for people with different driving patterns you have governments committing to banning the sale of new ICE cars when the deployment is literally in its infancy That also doesn't make sense to me. Governments don't want to push to EVs because the tech is some nirvana or something, but continued use of ICE vehicles is a large contributor to climate change and we have very limited time to address that.

jeffbee 3y ago
You have to recognize these as the right-wing dogwhistles that they are. The idea that autonomous driving and vehicle electrification are control strategies by an oppressive deep state are constantly pushed on far-right social media.
- porkbeer 3y ago
  Why does it matter what people push that idea if there is some truth to it?
- rajup 3y ago
  > autonomous driving and vehicle electrification are control strategies by an oppressive deep state Wait.. what? That’s definitely a new one to me…
  - jeffbee 3y ago
    Starter pack: https://www.tiktok.com/find/real-agenda-behind-electric-cars https://www.tiktok.com/find/real-agenda-behind-electric-cars
- Spivak 3y ago
  Welp, I'm as left as they come in these parts. Literally a card carrying socialist so I'm not consciously dog whistling anything. Tech is already inundated with corporations using technology to maintain an iron grip on their products against their users interest and I'm just sad to see that autonomous driving seems to be the excuse to extend this grip further with always-on connectivity that you can't turn off "for safety" that will also conveniently used for even more tracking. I don't think it will be used for population control or anything like that but I expect it will be expand the already existing police remote shutdown. Autonomous cars that are truly autonomous would be amazing. But what I fear we'll get is DrivingAsAService and regulatory capture.
  - jeffbee 3y ago
    > I'm as left as they come I am pleased to introduce you to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory
    - Spivak 3y ago
      I thought about that when I wrote that but I ended up landing on that it didn't apply because I'm not anywhere near right-wing social media and had no idea this was even a conspiracy. I was just like the last thing in the universe I want is for a company to exercise Apple like control over my car. And despite making no logical sense companies seem to be using EVs and self-driving as an excuse to create artificial lock-in and add even more data collection. New and "different" seems to mean you're allowed to break consumer expectations for the worse.
shkkmo 3y ago
I assume this is referring to how Europe requires new vehicles be sold with automatic emergency braking. If we do reach a point where self driving systems consistently outperfom humans in term or safety, I would absolutely expect a push to atleast require it in new vehicles if not some form of new law to push people towards using that technology. Personally, I find that idea attractive but I understand why people would fear it.