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"Life" is meaningless. Animals are a live. Plants are alive. Who cares when "life" begins? What should matter is when humanity begins, or, sapience. There's no
by BobaFloutist 3y ago
"Life" is meaningless. Animals are a live. Plants are alive. Who cares when "life" begins?
What should matter is when humanity begins, or, sapience. There's no world in which it makes scientific sense to afford a small cluster of cells without anything even resembling a cow's brain (remember cows? the things we legally slaughter by the hundreds of thousands every day?), let alone a human brain, more rights than the woman the organs of whom are supporting it.
Not only that, but we don't allow the harvesting of organs post mortem without explicit, written consent, even if someone could use them to live. If we're not allowed to use other people's organs to ensure survival, even if the other person is dead, that should apply just as much to fetuses.
There's very obviously a correct side if you want to apply any semblance of logic, reasoning, and thought to the issue. There isn't one if you want to apply religion to it, and follow your gut to conclude that your all-powerful, all-benevolent god is putting souls in fetuses he knows will be aborted, taking them up to heaven for eternal happiness, and getting mad at us for it.
- ralmidani 3y ago> your all-powerful, all-benevolent god As OP I agree that government has no business getting involved in these debates. But don’t you think insulting and ridiculing religious people, including those who agree with you on the general issue, is a bit much? You’re not really helping your cause by alienating those folks.
- BobaFloutist 3y agoIs that an insult? And I don't think I'm ridiculing anyone that agrees with me on the general issue. I didn't invent the concept of god being all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-benevolent. That's my genuine, good-faith understanding of what people believe. I'm also not mocking it. I disagree with it, but I'm taking it seriously, arguing with the assumption that people believe what they tell me they believe. It's wild that religious people can say "You condone murder, and will be tortured for eternity for your beliefs" and that's just business as usual, but if I say "That's a bit silly, I would expect the god you tell me you believe in to be more forgiving and understanding" all of a sudden I'm being too mean. It feels like there's no way to say "I simply don't believe that, and the evidence points to you being incorrect" that's polite enough for religious people, but they can say whatever they want to non-believers and it's ok because it's just what they believe.
- PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y agoand if your post had actually been that neutral, the other poster wouldn't have called you out on it.
- BobaFloutist 3y agoMy post wasn't neutral, but what little I said about religion more or less was.