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Read history. This has come up countless times. The world did not collapse. Some deepfakery has even been addressed by US courts (Hustler v. Falwell, a liter

Read history. This has come up countless times. The world did not collapse. Some deepfakery has even been addressed by US courts (Hustler v. Falwell, a literary deepfake). There was the war of the world fiasco, a radio deepfake. Before that people panicked over the ability to edit photographic plates, combining images to make people appear/disappear. Society did not crumble. New technology comes along. People fear that it can be used to create fake news. Then, a few years later, everyone chuckles about it. A few years from now we will have adapted to the current latest deepfake tech and will also chuckle about the panic.

xnx 3y ago
Current technology is so much better in its quality and ease of use as to be barely comparable to what came before. A lot of people in this thread seem to pride themselves on being able to spot deepfakes (how do they know the ones they don't spot?), but no person or machine will be able to tell real from deepfake in 5 years. I'm not sure what the effects will be of not being able to trust any photo or video (e.g. surveillance video, drone footage, etc.)
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- Dalewyn 3y ago
  Information has been faked, to varying degrees of success, for as long as humanity has engaged in intrigue. "AI" does not change this, it's still ill-willed humans and trolls at the wheel faking information. I always roll my eyes at fears of "AI" faking this, creating that, etc. Whatever "AI" has done or can do, we've already seen much worse from humanity. Been there, done that.
  - xnx 3y ago
    True, AI is just the tool and not the perpetrator. Murder has also exist since the dawn of humanity, but a murderer with a stick is very different from one with a fully automatic rifle.
  - progmetaldev 3y ago
    While I agree with you, I think the issue is that the tooling is starting to become accessible to anyone, which is going to create a flood of deepfake content. In the past, you usually needed to have a specific set of skills to fake information, and even then experts were able to analyze things like images for distortions or slight alterations that couldn't happen in the natural world. As the technology gets better, and into the hands of people that wouldn't have had access to it previously, only then will we really see if this is going to have any kind of effect.
ks2048 3y ago
I don’t know what will happen. Possibly deepfakes won’t be a big issue. But I’d still put myself strongly in the “this time is different” camp. “Stalin could remove a guy from a photo”. A specialized state intelligence group. “Any photoshop user can do that”. A tiny percent of adults who use photoshop. Now: billions of people can make perfect (soon) fake video, audio, etc and distribute to the world. I can’t predict the future, but to be confident that this won’t sow chaos seems silly.
digging 3y ago
> The world did not collapse. This is an extremely poor metric. (The worst possible metric?) Did bad things happen due to deception? Yes, actually, they did. Read history!

xnx 3y ago

Current technology is so much better in its quality and ease of use as to be barely comparable to what came before. A lot of people in this thread seem to pride themselves on being able to spot deepfakes (how do they know the ones they don't spot?), but no person or machine will be able to tell real from deepfake in 5 years. I'm not sure what the effects will be of not being able to trust any photo or video (e.g. surveillance video, drone footage, etc.)

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Dalewyn 3y ago
Information has been faked, to varying degrees of success, for as long as humanity has engaged in intrigue. "AI" does not change this, it's still ill-willed humans and trolls at the wheel faking information. I always roll my eyes at fears of "AI" faking this, creating that, etc. Whatever "AI" has done or can do, we've already seen much worse from humanity. Been there, done that.
- xnx 3y ago
  True, AI is just the tool and not the perpetrator. Murder has also exist since the dawn of humanity, but a murderer with a stick is very different from one with a fully automatic rifle.
- progmetaldev 3y ago
  While I agree with you, I think the issue is that the tooling is starting to become accessible to anyone, which is going to create a flood of deepfake content. In the past, you usually needed to have a specific set of skills to fake information, and even then experts were able to analyze things like images for distortions or slight alterations that couldn't happen in the natural world. As the technology gets better, and into the hands of people that wouldn't have had access to it previously, only then will we really see if this is going to have any kind of effect.

ks2048 3y ago

I don’t know what will happen. Possibly deepfakes won’t be a big issue. But I’d still put myself strongly in the “this time is different” camp. “Stalin could remove a guy from a photo”. A specialized state intelligence group. “Any photoshop user can do that”. A tiny percent of adults who use photoshop. Now: billions of people can make perfect (soon) fake video, audio, etc and distribute to the world. I can’t predict the future, but to be confident that this won’t sow chaos seems silly.

digging 3y ago

> The world did not collapse. This is an extremely poor metric. (The worst possible metric?) Did bad things happen due to deception? Yes, actually, they did. Read history!