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> Basically companies using tricks to create the right stats for their splashy marketing. Yep, for instance: If the car gets confused and can't proceed, what i
by flutas 3y ago
> Basically companies using tricks to create the right stats for their splashy marketing.
Yep, for instance: If the car gets confused and can't proceed, what is the outcome? Well it's not a "disengagement" or recorded as anything publicly. It's just "the car contacting support for directions."
Wanna see how this plays out? Here's Cruise, bragging about reaching 1 disengagement per 96,000 miles[0], sounds impressive right? Meanwhile, in reality Cruise cars needed remote assistance every 4-5 miles[1].
An even more fun fact? Cruise had at least 60 vehicles stall at once in 2022[2], but somehow they claim only "9 disengagements."
[0]: https://www.eetimes.com/waymo-cruise-dominate-av-testing/ https://www.eetimes.com/waymo-cruise-dominate-av-testing/
[1]: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/06/cruise-confirms-robotaxis-rely-on-human-assistance-every-4-to-5-miles.html https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/06/cruise-confirms-robotaxis-re...
[2]: https://jalopnik.com/cruise-server-crash-causes-self-driving-car-blockades-o-1849405795 https://jalopnik.com/cruise-server-crash-causes-self-driving...
- xnx 3y agoLooking for the truth in statistics is very tricky. Important to note that Cruise is extremely different from Waymo and shouldn't be used to represent self-driving as a whole.
- flutas 3y ago> Important to note that Cruise is extremely different from Waymo and shouldn't be used to represent self-driving as a whole. Waymo has the same problem of stalling and contacting support[0], we just don't know the numbers. As an example, [0] is video of a Waymo stalling (starting at 0:14) for 50 seconds before even contacting rider support. Rider support then takes an additional 47 seconds to reroute before the car starts moving again. The entire time (1m, 37s) the Waymo is blocking the only lane through this area. [0]: https://youtu.be/wWZGZWuUx-Y?t=13 https://youtu.be/wWZGZWuUx-Y?t=13